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thanks for the link glen

just read it and have measured my mixing position and will have to move it a little bit for optimum position.
 
just to confirm is

+/-6db is that a total of 12db for a nice room

+/-10db total of 20db for a fairly typical room

i ran a quick test this morning just a spl meter at the mixing position and at low monitoring levels the total amount of movement was 15db
it read 55db of sound at 50-110hz and rose to 70db at its highest
i will re test later in smaller incruments to get a better picture.
I don't know the width, source, weighting, etc. (pink? individual tones? 1/12th? 1/24th?) so those numbers don't mean an awful lot.

55dB using bandpassed noise from 50-110Hz...? We're talking about severe peaks and nulls only a few Hz wide in many cases...
 
sorry i didn't explain very well before i started the test room spl 44db

started test 50-110hz the spl rose to 55db at the begin of the test and never really altered.

after 110hz the and up to 300hz the meter increased from 55db and read up to 70db at its higest point.

i will run the test again and do it in 20hz incruments and take readings of each of these for a more accurate interpretation .
 
yeah i was kinda thinking that. i wanted put all the 2x4 panel traps in the following positions:

one behind each speaker, one or two at first lateral reflection points, one above each ear ceiling mounted, and one or two gobo style 3 ft behind mix position. i basically was thinking about building a box of bass traps around my mix position lol then coupling that with traps in the corners...

what do ya think?
I'm not convinced of the necessity of bass trapping at the reflection points, as it's usually going to be the higher frequencies giving you first/direct reflection trouble. Bass issues tend to be more of a function of the room reflective dimensions and corner bounces than of the room's primary reflection points.

Then again, I'm not a pro acoustical engineer, either. But just from personal experience, I'd give three pieces of general advice *just to start out with*. Others may see it different than I, I'm not a burning bush on the mountain here:

First, unless you are trying to build a professional studio for professional - meaning business - purposes, I'd take it in stages rather than a balls-out, grand plan from the start. And if you were going down that path, I'd find another room to start with.

But otherwise, if you're just looking to make decent mixes for yourself or your band, while everything that John, Ethan and I say are absolutely true, and are theoretical ideals, honestly there are a lot of people out there who can make perfectly good mixes with slightly less than theoretical ideal conditions. And I think surrounding yourself with a defensive rampart of bass trapping gobos and broadband absorbers may be overkill. It may not. But I'd work my way up to something like that only when less than that is not working out for me.

Second, remember that any room with four walls, a floor and ceiling, actually has 12 corner joints not just four. People tend to think only of those corners between one wall and the next, when those between the walls and ceiling or floor are corner joints just the same. This doesn't mean that you necessarily have to bass trap all 12 corners, but often when you find that two or four corner traps hare helping, but not enough, that maybe adding one between the real wall and ceiling or front wall and ceiling, or whatever, may be the ticket without going overboard elsewhere.

I forget now what the third one was ;)

G.
 
i will run the test again and do it in 20hz incruments and take readings of each of these for a more accurate interpretation .
2Hz. Maybe 5Hz. 20Hz isn't going to paint a very good picture down that low...
 
I'm not convinced of the necessity of bass trapping at the reflection points, as it's usually going to be the higher frequencies giving you first/direct reflection trouble. Bass issues tend to be more of a function of the room reflective dimensions and corner bounces than of the room's primary reflection points.

Then again, I'm not a pro acoustical engineer, either. But just from personal experience, I'd give three pieces of general advice *just to start out with*. Others may see it different than I, I'm not a burning bush on the mountain here:

First, unless you are trying to build a professional studio for professional - meaning business - purposes, I'd take it in stages rather than a balls-out, grand plan from the start. And if you were going down that path, I'd find another room to start with.

But otherwise, if you're just looking to make decent mixes for yourself or your band, while everything that John, Ethan and I say are absolutely true, and are theoretical ideals, honestly there are a lot of people out there who can make perfectly good mixes with slightly less than theoretical ideal conditions. And I think surrounding yourself with a defensive rampart of bass trapping gobos and broadband absorbers may be overkill. It may not. But I'd work my way up to something like that only when less than that is not working out for me.

Second, remember that any room with four walls, a floor and ceiling, actually has 12 corner joints not just four. People tend to think only of those corners between one wall and the next, when those between the walls and ceiling or floor are corner joints just the same. This doesn't mean that you necessarily have to bass trap all 12 corners, but often when you find that two or four corner traps hare helping, but not enough, that maybe adding one between the real wall and ceiling or front wall and ceiling, or whatever, may be the ticket without going overboard elsewhere.

I forget now what the third one was ;)

G.

lol yeah I tend to be overzealous and go overboard when it comes to theoretical ideals and I appreciate the grounding and realism. i can't tell you how many times i've obsessed over the smallest details to miss the big picture :eek:

I will most likey move this operation to a location more suited to my purpose.

with all the knowledge i've gained i think i can make a begining...

and when in doubt trap more! lol :D
 
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