JBL LSR4300 or DBX Driverack PA

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I'm torn between picking up a pair of these monitors because of the room tuning capabilty however; I could probably just buy the driverack pa and hook it up to my Events for the same effect.

Which do you guys think I should go with?

Please save all the drama about how to properly tune a room and suggestions of rigid fiberglass.
 
you're the only one out there that has mentioned these so I'll ask. Did you ever get these? If so how do you like them? inparticular do they have good low end?

thanks

F.S.
 
just read the manuals, really a great bang for the buck and an exceptional manual like usual from JBL.

It just occurred to me though how often would a person need to adjust everything? or how often does a person rearrange the monitors? or change the EQ setting?

I mean its a super added option and really for no cost as compared to DynAUDIO BM5A or others in this price range, like the Mackie824.

Its a big positive design IMO.
1) the programmable points to set the SPL levels into memory (really cool...)
2) RMC is interesting of course (some swear by it, some swear at it...)
3) Analog or Digital inputs. This is a big bonus for some users no doubt.
4) the wireless remote adjustment ability and controls from the front of the monitor! wow!

I think JBl did a great job on this. it's coming in like a young Mike Tyson..remember the boxer who bit off that dewds ear.
anyway..back to reading about these guys..er....I mean doing my to-do list of weekend house chores. :p

I might have to run to the grocery store (guitar center has some hooked up).

HAHAAA
 
bump....

no JBL LSR43xx reviews on the RCM and other functions?

nowhere, no one? something, anything?
 
COOLCAT said:
bump....

no JBL LSR43xx reviews on the RCM and other functions?

nowhere, no one? something, anything?
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I found quite a bit of discussuin doing a search at gearslutz.com

F.S.
 
bigwillz24 said:
I'm torn between picking up a pair of these monitors because of the room tuning capabilty however; I could probably just buy the driverack pa and hook it up to my Events for the same effect.
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Unfortunately that stuff doesn't work. I recently tested a "state of the art room correction" system, and it failed miserably. Here's my report:

http://www.realtraps.com/art_audyssey.htm

I don't know what your objection is to bass traps and/or rigid fiberglass, but in the end that's the only viable way to solve room acoustics problems.

--Ethan
 
Ethan Winer said:
Unfortunately that stuff doesn't work. I recently tested a "state of the art room correction" system, and it failed miserably. Here's my report:

http://www.realtraps.com/art_audyssey.htm

I don't know what your objection is to bass traps and/or rigid fiberglass, but in the end that's the only viable way to solve room acoustics problems.

--Ethan
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Who said I object to them?

I meant to put in my first post I was only looking at the Lsr's and would not consider the driverack, but I am looking at the LSR's for other reasons than one would assume.

Oh your talking to Bigwillz. This is an oldre thn hell thread I drug up because it's the only mention here of LSR's. I'm sure Bigwillz has long since moved on :D

F.S.
 
great article and link Ethan..

but? in your conclusion you say pretty fair and often positive things about the EQ tested and of the JBL, in general?
you didn't really come across as being negative towards the JBL's or the other EQ type unit at all, as I read it?

yet you say here on the forum, "it doesn't work"? :confused:

so the EQ aside, what did you think of the JBL's?
 
COOLCAT said:
great article and link Ethan..

but? in your conclusion you say pretty fair and often positive things about the EQ tested and of the JBL, in general?
you didn't really come across as being negative towards the JBL's or the other EQ type unit at all, as I read it?

yet you say here on the forum, "it doesn't work"? :confused:

so the EQ aside, what did you think of the JBL's?
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What he's saying is they can reduce the two biggest modes but have no affect on ringing. EQ is better then nothing but not as good as traps overall.

The bottom line is wether the money you spend on the EQ would be better off spent on treatment. If the money isn't the issue then just treat the damn room ;)



I'd be curious to know what is the best low-cost, automatic room EQ/Calibration unit.
 
i agree, but with a few panels, the RMC is a nice automated concept that does work for certain things, and maybe not at all for others. No different than all those EQ switches on the back of every ACTIVE MONITOR...(that are a notch or gain EQ..preset only). They can work but don't fix everything.



but the JBL is a very engineering type company ime. I read their web, they've been doing this a long time. JBL, like Texas Instruments and Intel, if you get rid of the Greedy Ignorant Suits, there's a pretty good bunch of intelligent engineers who really can engineer stuff. :p

Sweetwater has a full video presentation on these, if you have broadband...really interesting. And JBL doesn't claim to fix everything, like Ethan stated. just improve the Mix Seat and added a whole arsenal of HR stuff to these series monitors.

If it sounds good it is good...like Joe Meek said.
 
TexRoadkill said:
What he's saying is they can reduce the two biggest modes but have no affect on ringing. EQ is better then nothing but not as good as traps overall.
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Exactly. But hopefully after reading that article people will also understand that it's impossible to correct the response in a usable way even for one mix position. That is, you can fix it for one ear, but not the other. And you can't fix nulls or ringing, only peaks. And if you move your head even an inch it all goes out the window.

> I'd be curious to know what is the best low-cost, automatic room EQ/Calibration unit. <

Low cost? For price alone you can't beat a Behringer MIDI-controlled parametric EQ coupled with the free Room EQ Wizard software. Not that I'd ever recommend anything made by Behringer...

--Ethan
 
I'm confused again...
in your report the very first line of the conclusion says?

CONCLUSION

Listening to a variety of music there was no question that the sound was improved when the MultEQ was engaged.
 
COOLCAT said:
I'm confused again...
in your report the very first line of the conclusion says?

CONCLUSION

Listening to a variety of music there was no question that the sound was improved when the MultEQ was engaged.
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Mostly I didn't want to be perceived as having a vendetta. :D

Seriously, the room I tested in is nearly a cube because 16:8 is almost as bad as 16:16 or 8:8. So in a room like that, where one or two resonances are very pronounced, using one or two bands of cut-only EQ to tone down the peaks did make things "better" in my opinion. Was it as good as bass traps? Hell no! Did the device do all that it claimed to do? Not in a million years. But the sound was a little better, and I'd be unfair to not acknowledge that.

--Ethan
 
thanks for clarifying.

downloaded the Free Room Wizard too, from your report,Ethan.. free is good!
I'll donate something, with Paypal though.

your a righteous dewd. yeah, the ones I heard that like the Auto Eq thing were speaking of bar bands and unexpected rooms, and on occasion they can take out some obnoxious peaks apparently.

personally I'm not going to buy something as I don't change things around that much.

hopefully the Room Wizard will allow some more learning and RTA/waterfall plotting...not sure what this system is really? just started reading the literature.
 
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