is vista THAT bad?

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Vista finding everything attached to phone lines on the premises - I find that invasive.
Visa eating up Gigs of RAM for background operation suggests it's doing things I don't want it to do - I find that suspicious.
Vista not licencing drivers for common & popular but not M/soft lipserving programs - I find that arrogant.
That my 1st PC on W98 ran beautifully on 8meg of RAM yet Vista requires 100's of times more - I find that STUPID.
Vista makes things look nice and seem smooth yet eats up so much RAM - I find that wasteful in a world already dribbling over with waste products.
No one seems to have posted an OPTIMIZE your VISTA for Audio manual yet. It took a while for XP & was pretty easy to do & get terrific results. I doubt one will be relevant until the 3rd or 4th service pack has delat with the issues.
Anyone who wants the latest, nicest looking, apparently (yet not actually) smoothest operating, super dooper coolest thing should buy the latest playstation or other gaming machine - they road warrior test those things before they get out!
Oh, I've not had any problems with my prostate so I tell you others who CLAIM to have done that you're all wrong, the surveys and stats are wrong, the medical evidence is wrong and...well there'd be a whole lot more I'd type but I have to go a wee again for the 5th time this hour.....
JPMORRIS - that linked article is excellent thankyou very much! - a real EYE OPENER for a Vistasceptic so I'd love to hear comments from the Vistalovers!
 
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A couple of slight corrections to my earlier post: By default the VM presents 2 gigabytes of memory space to each application. The OS itself can see the whole 4GB, although at the kernel level it will need a hunk of the 4GB address space for MMIO and the video framebuffer etc. There is a boot option to increase the per-process window to 3GB but it seems to be something you don't mess with unless you know exactly what you're doing.

About 10 years ago there was a CPU extension called 'PAE' which allows 36-bit addressing. I assumed this was a flash in the pan, but Linux tells me my AMD X2 does support it. In theory this would allow XP or Vista to see more than 4GB (at a performance penalty) and page to this extended memory region, but you're still stuck with 2 or 3 GB per process, which will require a 64-bit OS to overcome.
Either way, the OS exists to provide and distribute hardware resources to its applications. If it requires 1 gigabyte or more just for its own purposes, then it has failed in the basic task for which it was created.

With the 64-bit drivers, it is apparently possible to coerce Vista64 into loading non-WHQL drivers, but you have remember to press F8 and enter the options menu to enable it each and every time the system boots or it will reject them.
 
cpc said:
my experience with vista-

day 1- set it up , everything installed perfect, all programs, all drivers. looks better than xp , runs smoother, indexing and search features are nice


been happy since :)
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Yeah but what are you using it for? Word Processing?
 
brzilian said:
.....hence my decision to dump PCs this summer after using them for 13+ years...
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I've been using PC's forever, since b4 the internet even and my brother learned me about Bulletin Boards like this one - (as in What do you mean I can send messages long distance and not pay long distance charges, this goes over the telephone wires right?)

My eldest, 23 has a mac and swears by it so is that what you mean - and would a Mac be better in the studio I'm putting together as in never using anything but a mac to record with?

Highsteel
 
vista has alot of potential .. i think theyre getting alot of the kinks worked out

ive had a copy of vista ultimate from a microsoft show earlier in the year and have been reluctant to install it. im going to install it on a test computer next week and mess around with it to check out the performance with audio
 
i think it all boils down to how well you know your equipment.

"The ability of the operator to determine what it is that needs to be done and pick the best combination of tools is more important than what tools are used ~Glenn Meadows

"audio principles never go out of style, but models of gear always fade away
 
ive learned one thing here though, people sure dont like their precious ram being used , even if it's not needed. their programs could be running perfectly smooth but heck if vista is using any extra ram in the backround watch out! people sure l ove their ram.


anyways i hate macs... they cant run as many programs , itunes runs shit in the background that uses extra ram!!!! ... and one of the few times i used a mac itunes had an error the first time i used it and froze the computer... yeh macs "simply work" my ass
 
cpc said:
ive learned one thing here though, people sure dont like their precious ram being used , even if it's not needed. their programs could be running perfectly smooth but heck if vista is using any extra ram in the backround watch out! people sure l ove their ram.


anyways i hate macs... they cant run as many programs , itunes runs shit in the background that uses extra ram!!!! ... and one of the few times i used a mac itunes had an error the first time i used it and froze the computer... yeh macs "simply work" my ass
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is bill gates your dad ?
just wondering:D

cpc..... a one mans crusade fighting for the rights of vista operating system

if yours works congratulations mate..... ,only time will tell if vista will take off or its a big whippy turd in a cornet with a flake in it.
 
cpc said:
ive learned one thing here though, people sure dont like their precious ram being used , even if it's not needed. their programs could be running perfectly smooth but heck if vista is using any extra ram in the backround watch out! people sure l ove their ram.


anyways i hate macs... they cant run as many programs , itunes runs shit in the background that uses extra ram!!!! ... and one of the few times i used a mac itunes had an error the first time i used it and froze the computer... yeh macs "simply work" my ass
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Sure dude, I want my operating system simply loading to use up half my RAM. That's efficient computing. You haven't been using computers very long, huh? If you had been when you only needed about a meg of RAM to run your OS, you'd understand the complaints about Vista's insane resource hogging.
 
timthetortoise said:
Sure dude, I want my operating system simply loading to use up half my RAM. That's efficient computing. You haven't been using computers very long, huh? If you had been when you only needed about a meg of RAM to run your OS, you'd understand the complaints about Vista's insane resource hogging.
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vista uses half your ram? time to upgrade your 1995 computer kiddo
 
cpc said:
vista uses half your ram? time to upgrade your 1995 computer kiddo
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Because in 1995 everyone totally had a computer with a gig of RAM.
And I've never used Vista on my home machines and never plan on using it. You shouldn't have to have 512 MB of RAM to run a damn OS. If you actually want to DO things with your computer other than surf the net or use Word, that RAM that's being consumed by Vista being "pretty" could be utilized much better in applications you're actually using. Of course, there's no logical reasoning with a rampant fanboy, so I'll just leave it at that.
 
To each his own...if you like having your computer run slower than it needs to and perform worse than it should all for pretty much no reason, then that's your choice.

For audio recording, and pretty much anything that demands good performance, I'll stick with what isn't broken.
 
in the defence of vista dont burn me at the stake for this!:D

isn't all this irellevent if you are not maxing out your operating systems memory and cpu power with every project you do.and if you are only using 80% of the power and resorses then would'nt the pc be able to cope with the demands?

i would have thought that vista is aimed at the new dual core and quad core generation of chips ,i know it uses more memory than its predisessor but i dont think it was aimed at the home recording enthusiest.Hell bent on pushing the system to meltdown.its more for home use and an atempt to look pretty and safe for the internet and to rivell the look of mac.

And with the price of hard drives these days , dual boot operating systems dont cost an arm and a leg.And you can have the best of both worlds(if you want pretty and hungry on one drive and fast on the other)
in another year or two..... or three we will all be saying vista is good and bill gates new product is bad !! and i know i should have bought a mac!!!:D:D:D
 
http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=653446


Overall, vista sucks. Although, as we all know, in a year or 2.... it will be great.
(Just as it was with 95, 98, NT, ME, 2K, Xp, etc. )

If your new laptop or PC came with it, good for you - hopefully it will work with your current software and devices. (What choice do you have at that point, besides rolling back to XP ?)

We we're approached at our office, in regards to updating 6 locations, which is about 42 computers, to Vista.

The rep could not come up with 1 reason, as to why we would switch from out current Opertaing systems. (Dos, 98, 2K, and Xp).

He did not have 1 decent Vista feature he could list, that was of any advantage.

(Except to say - it looks cool)



As I side note.... I hear Mac users don't like their new OS either. In fact, their calling "Leopard", Lep-tard. lol
 
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