hixmix
Halibut, North Dakota
Yes, aaron, "shred" is "coming back". Actually, it is "bacK" thanks to you, aaron. Now it will be with us much fucking more longer than we'd like it to be. 
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Richard Monroe
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?shred?
Gee, I don't know... Do dedicated guitar solos and playing wicked fast require spandex and big hair? Is the alternative a body perm and 37 dancers with 17 coordinated costume changes? Was John McLaughlin a "shredder" ? Alvin Lee? I myself love layered vocals and songs that tell me stories and make me think, but sometimes I want them to all shut up and let the damn guitarist whale! It's not the "shredder" per se I don't care for, but the musical sludge that's usually built around him. I was recently (confession time) a judge for GC's "Guitarmageddon", and I think I've heard every impressed-with-himself lead guitarist in the Boston area with an axe to grind (as it were). I admire a badass lead guitarist that can execute all those blistering arpeggios with tapping, and sometimes I build a song around it on purpose. It's just another color I have on my pallette. I think it's fine, as long as you bring real musicianship to the table, not just technique. As far as " the show" goes, I want to see a band that *is* a show, instead of one that puts one on. You want to see a put on show, watch Madonna or N'sync. You want to see a real show, watch old videos of The Who. Bring it on- Richie
Gee, I don't know... Do dedicated guitar solos and playing wicked fast require spandex and big hair? Is the alternative a body perm and 37 dancers with 17 coordinated costume changes? Was John McLaughlin a "shredder" ? Alvin Lee? I myself love layered vocals and songs that tell me stories and make me think, but sometimes I want them to all shut up and let the damn guitarist whale! It's not the "shredder" per se I don't care for, but the musical sludge that's usually built around him. I was recently (confession time) a judge for GC's "Guitarmageddon", and I think I've heard every impressed-with-himself lead guitarist in the Boston area with an axe to grind (as it were). I admire a badass lead guitarist that can execute all those blistering arpeggios with tapping, and sometimes I build a song around it on purpose. It's just another color I have on my pallette. I think it's fine, as long as you bring real musicianship to the table, not just technique. As far as " the show" goes, I want to see a band that *is* a show, instead of one that puts one on. You want to see a put on show, watch Madonna or N'sync. You want to see a real show, watch old videos of The Who. Bring it on- Richie
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Axeslinger
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Oysterman said:
Not in my Book
acidrock
GO PACKERS!
I think elements of shred may come back but the whole 80's scene was a little over the top mtv patronizing.
I can dig a cool lead but it has to be done in the context of the song.I found sometimes a song just became an excuse for a solo.
I dug Van Halen but as soon as DLR left the group they lost the attitude that gave them a wider appeal.Like it or not if the only criteria for a song to be "cool" is how good the guitar players technique is,the only people who are going to listen to it are other guitar players.
I can dig a cool lead but it has to be done in the context of the song.I found sometimes a song just became an excuse for a solo.
I dug Van Halen but as soon as DLR left the group they lost the attitude that gave them a wider appeal.Like it or not if the only criteria for a song to be "cool" is how good the guitar players technique is,the only people who are going to listen to it are other guitar players.
Speeddemon
New member
I almost agree with every post after Lopp's (sorry dude) and I disagree with Lopp.
I know each type of music has good and bad people, but you gotta admit my 2 mentioned shredder-type groups make some sense, eh?
I mean, Sambora just sounds way cooler, and more 'true',organic, etc, than Vai. Yeah, sure Vai knows more techniques, but I rather get an "Wow! Rock!!!! Yeah..." effect from a guitar solo, than a "Wow, impressive, but ehh... not very 'into' the song..." response...
So hail the Van Halen/Sambora types... and lose the Petrucci/Vai types. We need guitarists, not machines.
Yngwie still sits in between though...
I know each type of music has good and bad people, but you gotta admit my 2 mentioned shredder-type groups make some sense, eh?
I mean, Sambora just sounds way cooler, and more 'true',organic, etc, than Vai. Yeah, sure Vai knows more techniques, but I rather get an "Wow! Rock!!!! Yeah..." effect from a guitar solo, than a "Wow, impressive, but ehh... not very 'into' the song..." response...
So hail the Van Halen/Sambora types... and lose the Petrucci/Vai types. We need guitarists, not machines.
Yngwie still sits in between though...
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Its been so long since I've heard any guitar solos in the new stuff, I'll take any form of soloing at this point. You'd think it was against the law to put a guitar solo in a song these days. My idea of good shred is Eric Johnson, but I've listened to most of 'em. Lets get the wankers back in the mix!
While I'm at it, why does every singer on an alternative record sound just like the "This Bud's For You" commercial?
While I'm at it, why does every singer on an alternative record sound just like the "This Bud's For You" commercial?
jimistone
long standing member
i never cared for the "shred" style of guitar playing. no soul to it. I like the string bending style of guitar playing....players like albert king and SRV who didn't have to dive bomb a whammy bar to compensate for lack of taste in their monotonous noodleing.
i don't think music is anymore "image" oriented now than it was in the 80's. That was one of the worst decades in rock music in my opinion....mouse'd hair. spandex, dudes wearing lipstick and eyeliner, doublebass drumming (could any of the hair band drummers work a high hat if their life depended on it?)...and the crowning jewel...guitar players that play 100,000 notes per measure with a tone that sucks.
is shred coming back....god i hope not
i don't think music is anymore "image" oriented now than it was in the 80's. That was one of the worst decades in rock music in my opinion....mouse'd hair. spandex, dudes wearing lipstick and eyeliner, doublebass drumming (could any of the hair band drummers work a high hat if their life depended on it?)...and the crowning jewel...guitar players that play 100,000 notes per measure with a tone that sucks.
is shred coming back....god i hope not
flapo1
New member
To me, music is a mean of communication.
So, I'll try to make an analogy between storytelling and guitar solos
To me, it's not how fast you can speak to make you a great storyteller, it's what words you use and how do you phrase them, the sound of your voice, pauses, timing, etc. what makes a great storyteller. The same with solos. I don't mean speed can't be used as a resource, but it shouldn't be the most important thing, it should be mixed with other kinds of technique like phrasing, bending, hammer ons and pull ofs, timing, vibrato, etc. Sort of what makes Eddie Van Halen a great guitarist (IMHO); he can be speedy but it's not just that, and it's not always, he kan mix all those techniques very well.
Personally, I'd have anytime the bridge solo from "Comfortably numb" over anything from Satch, Vai or any other "guitar-speed god".
But thats only what I think.
P.S. I've been wandering, what does "lol" mean?
So, I'll try to make an analogy between storytelling and guitar solos
To me, it's not how fast you can speak to make you a great storyteller, it's what words you use and how do you phrase them, the sound of your voice, pauses, timing, etc. what makes a great storyteller. The same with solos. I don't mean speed can't be used as a resource, but it shouldn't be the most important thing, it should be mixed with other kinds of technique like phrasing, bending, hammer ons and pull ofs, timing, vibrato, etc. Sort of what makes Eddie Van Halen a great guitarist (IMHO); he can be speedy but it's not just that, and it's not always, he kan mix all those techniques very well.
Personally, I'd have anytime the bridge solo from "Comfortably numb" over anything from Satch, Vai or any other "guitar-speed god".
But thats only what I think.
P.S. I've been wandering, what does "lol" mean?
Aaron Cheney
Favorite Chord: C 6/9
LOL = "laughing out loud"
You're absolutely right chris. It's all about contrast. Nothing makes a really quick passage sound climactic than putting it right after something slow. Nothing makes loud passage sound REALLY LOUD like putting it after a really quiet one. (but don't get me started on the subject of dynamics, which barely exist in moder music!)
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
You're absolutely right chris. It's all about contrast. Nothing makes a really quick passage sound climactic than putting it right after something slow. Nothing makes loud passage sound REALLY LOUD like putting it after a really quiet one. (but don't get me started on the subject of dynamics, which barely exist in moder music!)
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
64Firebird
New member
No kidding! Everything is compressed without reguard to dynamics.
Speeddemon
New member
I'm against that non-dynamics crap. That's why I only compress my bassguitar in my songs. The rest stays untouched, even the kick and snare. How's THAT for a revolution, eh? 
Most of my productions are a mix of 60's "techniques" (natural sounding drums, spring reverb, noise, hiss), 70's (more upfront sounding guitars, not too much reverb on the drumkit), and 80's (reverb on some solo parts). Forget the 90's and now.
I'll choose any Deep Purple/Van Halen (DLR-era) album over a Linkin Park/P.O.D./Tool album any time any place. Even when listening through *shrug* ... Spirit Absolute Zero's...
Most of my productions are a mix of 60's "techniques" (natural sounding drums, spring reverb, noise, hiss), 70's (more upfront sounding guitars, not too much reverb on the drumkit), and 80's (reverb on some solo parts). Forget the 90's and now.
I'll choose any Deep Purple/Van Halen (DLR-era) album over a Linkin Park/P.O.D./Tool album any time any place. Even when listening through *shrug* ... Spirit Absolute Zero's...
Lopp
New member
Just saw C4 last night with Michael Angelo on guitar. They kick ass. There is something impressive about watching him fly all over the neck. Especially when he plays faster with his hand over the top of the neck than most guitarists play normally. They put on an excellent show. I'm so glad I went.
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detuned6
Metal dude
I whent to see micheal angelo at one of his clinics, and does this thing with a 2 necked guitar(one on each side) no pickin gust hamers an pulls-Fuckin Shredin up a storm , i was like " holy shit this motha's crazy". The nitro stuff was pretty gay thou(vocal wize)
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KaBudokan
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Did you really say that?
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Scott Tansley
New member
Did you really say that?
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Yes but when you look at it like that by itself out of context its not what I mean. The song and the story will always be important. Of course. But if its not "entertaining" then its not working.
I was just stressing the importance of entertainment over story.
Scott.
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Yes but when you look at it like that by itself out of context its not what I mean. The song and the story will always be important. Of course. But if its not "entertaining" then its not working.
I was just stressing the importance of entertainment over story.
Scott.
Lopp
New member
detuned6 said:
No doubt. I remember seeing Nitro at a local club on their first tour. When he started soloing on the double necker, I messed my pants.
I didn't realize he was the guitarist from Holland at the time. Too bad the vox and the production on the Nitro albums were so terrible.It's funny to hear him talk. His pics make him look bad ass, but then you hear him talk with this mousie voice.
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Scott Tansley
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By the way, I cant beleave no one's mentioned Jimy Hendrix.
Jimy and Brian May. The best ever.
Jimy and Brian May. The best ever.
VOXVENDOR
New member
Im retiring from music.... When Ratt reappears and gets a top ten hit, I will return.
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Newest User
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It may not comeback in the same exact form, but there will always be these kneejerk reactions to excessive anything.
I confess I am a shredder... I own almost all of Vai's records.
I have 2/3rds of Satches and 3 Racer-X ones. Ive got CD's from Yngwie, Dream Theater, Greg Howe, Micheal Firkins,
Richie Kotzen, and Ken Burtch to name a few. I can do a good portion of the "shred techniques" myself.
I also enjoy Clapton, BB King, Robin Trower, Paco Pena,
John Williams, Chuck Barry etc...
And Im a Rush fan, Pink Floyd fan, Ozzy fan, Disturbed fan,
Sanctuary fan, Bon Jovi fan, ZZ Top, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Mozart, Bach, Pagannini, Jim Brickman, Tori Amos, Micheal W Smith, Trans Siberian Orc, Robin Ford, Nsync, Zappa, Metallica, Megadeth, VH, Sammy H, Vinnie Moore, KISS, SRV, 96 Decibel Freaks, Faith no More, AIC, PJ, Deep Purple, Foghat, April Wine, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Prince (old) Pat Benetar and the list just goes on and on....Richard Marx, Oingo Boingo.....
Im willing to listen to ust about anything once, and I like most everything I heard... I like the Executioners, and some weird reason I like new Rage In The Machine, but I can't seem to tolerate the new or latest effort from Incubus or System of a Down.
I don't like my own stuff though...
I confess I am a shredder... I own almost all of Vai's records.
I have 2/3rds of Satches and 3 Racer-X ones. Ive got CD's from Yngwie, Dream Theater, Greg Howe, Micheal Firkins,
Richie Kotzen, and Ken Burtch to name a few. I can do a good portion of the "shred techniques" myself.
I also enjoy Clapton, BB King, Robin Trower, Paco Pena,
John Williams, Chuck Barry etc...
And Im a Rush fan, Pink Floyd fan, Ozzy fan, Disturbed fan,
Sanctuary fan, Bon Jovi fan, ZZ Top, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Mozart, Bach, Pagannini, Jim Brickman, Tori Amos, Micheal W Smith, Trans Siberian Orc, Robin Ford, Nsync, Zappa, Metallica, Megadeth, VH, Sammy H, Vinnie Moore, KISS, SRV, 96 Decibel Freaks, Faith no More, AIC, PJ, Deep Purple, Foghat, April Wine, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Prince (old) Pat Benetar and the list just goes on and on....Richard Marx, Oingo Boingo.....
Im willing to listen to ust about anything once, and I like most everything I heard... I like the Executioners, and some weird reason I like new Rage In The Machine, but I can't seem to tolerate the new or latest effort from Incubus or System of a Down.
I don't like my own stuff though...
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KaBudokan
New member
Scott Tansley said:
I know, I quoted out of context, which was unfair.
When you said that, I did kind of jump and did a double take. Still, I can understand some of your point.
However, I think you totally lose it when you complain about the industry focusing on image and dance and selling records, etc. They're focusing on entertaining, not on the music itself. You just got through telling us how entertainment was more important than the "song" or "story," but then you try to trash record companies for following your advice. It just happens that what you find "entertaining" is probably not what most of the record buying public finds entertaining.
You can't have it both ways.
