64Firebird
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guhlenn said:
My 50 watt Fender 2x12 is as loud as any 100 watt Marshal that I've ever played along side of.
Higher wattage is not always louder, but it will let you play louder clean.
My 50 watt Fender 2x12 is as loud as any 100 watt Marshal that I've ever played along side of.
Higher wattage is not always louder, but it will let you play louder clean.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
i believe you can find it via www.amptone.com not sure thopugh... and roel, i don't find mesa's louder then marshalls... when tubed the same and stuff...
Furthermore is the difference between 50 watts and 100 watts nihil... so it is isn't a fair comparison,
and even more my marshall would blast the cmbo away since i'm using two closed 2x12" 's ...
Guhlenn
Furthermore is the difference between 50 watts and 100 watts nihil... so it is isn't a fair comparison,
and even more my marshall would blast the cmbo away since i'm using two closed 2x12" 's ...
Guhlenn
Roel
That SMART guy.
Well... It really depends on which amp. Some marshalls just plainly suck. I hate the way their clean sound shatters when you turn it up. Even my JC55 can get a louder and better clean sound than any marshall I played. (haven't played that many though)
I just don't like the marshalls all that much. Especially not the new ones. The vintage ones are good. Our amptechnique-dude doesn't like 'em either. In fact, he hates 'em. They are just bad designs...
And don't even get me started on the valvestates. Yuck! Those are what made me really hate marshall. Any company that has got even the slightest bit of decency would not bring something like that on the market. Yuck yuck yuck! I have seen more broken ones than ones that actually worked, and even the ones that worked sounded like shit. BAH!
I just don't like the marshalls all that much. Especially not the new ones. The vintage ones are good. Our amptechnique-dude doesn't like 'em either. In fact, he hates 'em. They are just bad designs...
And don't even get me started on the valvestates. Yuck! Those are what made me really hate marshall. Any company that has got even the slightest bit of decency would not bring something like that on the market. Yuck yuck yuck! I have seen more broken ones than ones that actually worked, and even the ones that worked sounded like shit. BAH!
64Firebird
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My own experience with Marshal amps is that they are not relyable.
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trebles
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take a look at the reverend hellhound40/60 joe naylor was involved with this amp guitar player have raved over this amp and for 599 new whats gonna get close??
http://www.reverenddirect.com/
http://www.reverenddirect.com/
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
hmmm...
Marshall hasn't a bad rep in my book... well neither has mesa... I do think marshall is a decent company although the massive popularity did them no good... but who wants a a rectifier now? it'll fade...
as for reliability... i can't stress it enough... my 100 watt has been hauled around for about 4 years now , fallen numerous times in our band bus and still works fine... i have playeed a lot of valvestates (for several reasons,. tone not being one of them
) and i have had NONE that did not break down... those are pieces of crap...
it's not that surprising that the JC55 des a better clean, now is it? I never liked the cleaner then clean sound... i like a little break up... but fair enough.. the clean isn't great... good though...
Guhlenn
Marshall hasn't a bad rep in my book... well neither has mesa... I do think marshall is a decent company although the massive popularity did them no good... but who wants a a rectifier now? it'll fade...
as for reliability... i can't stress it enough... my 100 watt has been hauled around for about 4 years now , fallen numerous times in our band bus and still works fine... i have playeed a lot of valvestates (for several reasons,. tone not being one of them
) and i have had NONE that did not break down... those are pieces of crap...it's not that surprising that the JC55 des a better clean, now is it? I never liked the cleaner then clean sound... i like a little break up... but fair enough.. the clean isn't great... good though...
Guhlenn
Roel
That SMART guy.
I think the marshall clean is completely useless... The JC55 is wonderfull. Although mine needs to be fixed too... 
But who cares, I hardly play anyways. 
And I've seen several heads (JCM900 or something in that vain) that broke down too... And let's not mention that JMP1 that started acting funny on me, and one of my friends that had the exact same thing happen.
Well, at least we agree on the valvestates.
But who cares, I hardly play anyways. And I've seen several heads (JCM900 or something in that vain) that broke down too... And let's not mention that JMP1 that started acting funny on me, and one of my friends that had the exact same thing happen.
Well, at least we agree on the valvestates.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
didn't likethe jmp-1 either... though it never acted funny... although the nice lay-out made me smile (is that what you ment?)
and who buys a jcm900 head anyway?
Guhlenn
and who buys a jcm900 head anyway?
Guhlenn
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ecasini
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EpiSGpl8r, that fender amp that you linked to, it's LOUD. I think it's one of the loudest solid state amps I've ever seen. It'll take a 100 watt crate solid state ANY DAY.
As far as Fender being louder than Marshall, that might be true, since Marshall is not about being so LOUD, but GREAT TONE
Also, Mesa amps have MESA WATTS, which are different from regular watts. I had a DC-3, which was supposed to be 35 watts, that thing was really around 75, kid you not. It was LOUD.
50 watts is enough to play like, 90% of clubs and small gigs in the U.S. and you can always mic the amp.
That fender amp has great clean.
hope this helps,
-E
As far as Fender being louder than Marshall, that might be true, since Marshall is not about being so LOUD, but GREAT TONE
Also, Mesa amps have MESA WATTS, which are different from regular watts. I had a DC-3, which was supposed to be 35 watts, that thing was really around 75, kid you not. It was LOUD.
50 watts is enough to play like, 90% of clubs and small gigs in the U.S. and you can always mic the amp.
That fender amp has great clean.
hope this helps,
-E
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EpiSGpl8r
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yeah thanks the amp is very kick ass. It puts out great tone a big step up from my little peavey audition 20 1984 vintage amp its only 12 watts and would blow any 15 or maybe even higher watt amp of the water no prob.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
mesa watts aren't more .. it's just that tubews work that way... 10 watts is half as loud as hundred watts, so 35 watts would then be around 3/4 of 100 watts
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psmith66
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I can't imagine any scenario where ALL musical sources wouldn't be running through the board. Hence the term "mix".
Also, if you're concerned about an amp's volume, keep in mind that the vocals obviously are mic'd - no problem there in a football stadium. So why should an amp, which is much louder than unmic'd vocals, pose a challenge?
The guy sitting 100 feet back, next to the PA speakers, isn't hearing the direct sound coming out of your amp.
A 50 watt JCM 800 2x12 combo will offer more than enough volume for ANY venue.
Also, if you're concerned about an amp's volume, keep in mind that the vocals obviously are mic'd - no problem there in a football stadium. So why should an amp, which is much louder than unmic'd vocals, pose a challenge?
The guy sitting 100 feet back, next to the PA speakers, isn't hearing the direct sound coming out of your amp.
A 50 watt JCM 800 2x12 combo will offer more than enough volume for ANY venue.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
I DO think so too!
foo
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I am a better player, and can play faster than all y'all for no other reason than my amp is louder than any of y'all's - and the reason I know that is . . .
My amp goes to 11
foo
My amp goes to 11
foo
Lt. Bob
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I use a Hot Rod deVille....it's 60 watts and is loud enough for any sized stage and that's all you really need it for since tha PA takes care of the audience.
BUT.......... 100 watts is always louder than 50 watts. The problem is that just 'cause an amp is rated at 100 watts does not mean that it actually puts out 100 watts. While it might measure at 100 watts on the bench....putting that out into a speaker where the impedence changes with frequency is a different matter. And another reason two amps of identical ratings can produce different volume levels through the same speakers is the power supply. Live music, like your stereo, doesn't stay at high power levels continuously. It tends toward a lower constant power with momentary peaks. And those peaks can draw large amounts of current. If a power supply can't momentarily supply larger current...then the amp basically limits. So one amp with a serious power supply can put out more than it's rated 100 watts and sometimes a lot more for a very brief moment which subjectively makes it louder. That's why amps like Crates are often so anemic sounding. They use cheap power supplies with skimpy transformers and little current capacity.
One more thing, db's are often misunderstood. To make something twice as loud takes ten times the power. So the difference between 50 and 100 watts isn't as great as it might appear. The real difference is in the power supply and efficient speakers. That's why something like a 28 watt Matchless screams.
BUT.......... 100 watts is always louder than 50 watts. The problem is that just 'cause an amp is rated at 100 watts does not mean that it actually puts out 100 watts. While it might measure at 100 watts on the bench....putting that out into a speaker where the impedence changes with frequency is a different matter. And another reason two amps of identical ratings can produce different volume levels through the same speakers is the power supply. Live music, like your stereo, doesn't stay at high power levels continuously. It tends toward a lower constant power with momentary peaks. And those peaks can draw large amounts of current. If a power supply can't momentarily supply larger current...then the amp basically limits. So one amp with a serious power supply can put out more than it's rated 100 watts and sometimes a lot more for a very brief moment which subjectively makes it louder. That's why amps like Crates are often so anemic sounding. They use cheap power supplies with skimpy transformers and little current capacity.
One more thing, db's are often misunderstood. To make something twice as loud takes ten times the power. So the difference between 50 and 100 watts isn't as great as it might appear. The real difference is in the power supply and efficient speakers. That's why something like a 28 watt Matchless screams.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
I hear a lot of guys with that crate blue voodoo (a metal amp) complain about how little vlume it has... it's a 100 watt head into a 4 x 12" cab and i could not believe the when they said they pout it around 7-8 for decent rehearsal volume... my marshall woulfd have made ALL bandmembers deaf when doing that... BUT the great advantage seems to me that the tubes really need to work on thast machine... lt. bob have some technical notes on this topic? or someone else?
Guhlenn
Guhlenn
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
Gotta go to work right now.....but I'll find some to post late tonight if no one else beats me to it.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
i'm lookin forward to it, maybe i cabn add a little;
I always thought 100 watts where the way to go, ofcourse it isn't if you don't polay large venues... so the crate seems great for that purpose; letting 4 EL34 blaze away... so what's the downside and is my i4dea true?
Guhlenn
I always thought 100 watts where the way to go, ofcourse it isn't if you don't polay large venues... so the crate seems great for that purpose; letting 4 EL34 blaze away... so what's the downside and is my i4dea true?
Guhlenn
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
passing by on my way to lunch
Ya' know.....ultimately the only thing that matters is what your ears tell you about the amp. If you like it....then it's a good amp no matter what anyone else says. Different guitarists find their sound with different rigs. An example: although I own several modelers for recording...I loath their sound for live gigs. For me it's too processed sounding. But I hear other guitarists that get a good sound out of them. For them it works....just not for me. So use your ears and trust them.
Ya' know.....ultimately the only thing that matters is what your ears tell you about the amp. If you like it....then it's a good amp no matter what anyone else says. Different guitarists find their sound with different rigs. An example: although I own several modelers for recording...I loath their sound for live gigs. For me it's too processed sounding. But I hear other guitarists that get a good sound out of them. For them it works....just not for me. So use your ears and trust them.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
well...
Sure
but please be so kind as to explain the technical point of view and the downside of this approach.
Thanks a lot man!
Guhlenn
Sure
but please be so kind as to explain the technical point of view and the downside of this approach.
Thanks a lot man!
Guhlenn