Investiment recomendations to enhance drum recording

[RAMI]

It surely does SOMETHING

Nope. Nothing at all, Beeves.

 

[c7sus]

It surely does SOMETHING and now I know I'm not deaf, thanks again! Crazy is still a possibility

As I've said before, I'm considering to replace it with other stuff: coconut shells or crocodile tiles are in my list. Just kidding...

Anyway, I felt my main goal here is not being achieved. Said that I really apreciated all the answers and hope I can get the drum sound I want eventually

Cheers

Your responses are confirming that you are an ignorant dumbass and your continued clinging to cardboard and egg cartons as a solution is just demonstrating your unwillingness to accept reality.

Good luck with that.

 

[Armistice]

Sound proofing your room to keep your neighbours happy and treating your room to make your recordings sound better are different things...

You're essentially saying since shoving wood and cardboard everywhere you can hear less sound outside, yes? Fair enough... perhaps you are. It may not be helping the quality of your recordings, however, and no-one so far believes you controlled all the other variables well enough to tell that it has.

Do us all a favour, post a sound file and tell us what the problem is, and you might get some good advice. Your current tack is not getting you anywhere..

 

[bdenton]

Are cardboard and egg cartons the best method of sound control. No, there are far better materials and techniques available, including both foam and fiberglass. Further, as was previously noted, cardboard and egg cartons present a severe fire hazard.

Were a lot of great records created in rooms where egg cartons were the only acoustic treatments used? Yes, indeed. There is no doubt that egg cartons can, in some circumstances improve a rooms acoustics.

 

[JimmyS1969]

Just post a sound file dood! Maybe we can actually help with your original question.

 

[RAMI]

Were a lot of great records created in rooms where egg cartons were the only acoustic treatments used? Yes, indeed.

Would those recordings have been even better without the egg carton? Most probably, but since there's no way of going back to those rooms and comparing, we'll never know. Just because "something" was on a wall, doesn't mean it made a difference for the better.

There is no doubt that egg cartons can, in some circumstances improve a rooms acoustics.

"can" "maybe" "possibly" "allegedyly" "rumored to have" "recportedly" "hypothetically".....Give me a break.

 

[Greg_L]

Lol @ Sami

 

[grimtraveller]

Your responses are confirming that you are an ignorant dumbass and your continued clinging to cardboard and egg cartons as a solution is just demonstrating your unwillingness to accept reality.

Good luck with that.

That was kind of unnecesary. If someone has gone down a particular path believing it to be right, a few posts on an internet forum are unlikely to change that person's mind instantly. Vcneves' responses don't confirm that they are an ignorant dumbass, rather, they confirm that someone has heard something that dramatically challenges what they thought to be right and they are going through the natural internal struggle that leads to possibly a different conclusion. Neves has already said

and I'm considering to replace egg boxes with other stuff

and

As I've said before, I'm considering to replace it with other stuff:

~ hardly ignorant dumbassery.
Even Greg once pointed out he'd heard slight improvements in Poetic Intensity's drum room that had egg cartons or some such frowned upon substance on the walls - though in fairness, he said it was the only time it had happened and recommended proper room treatment.
Clinging tenaciously to a previously held position while others are trying to steer you right is often a sign that the foundations of that position are soon going to come crashing down.
And if not the OP may be chasing their tail for a long time.

 

[Greg_L]

Even Greg once pointed out he'd heard slight improvements in Poetic Intensity's drum room that had egg cartons or some such frowned upon substance on the walls - .

This is true. I didn't want to believe it, but PI's egg-foam shit made his recordings sound better.

I don't understand why people get so angry about sound treatement. Who gives a fuck? I personally couldn't care less if someone wants to use egg crates, trash bags, or zebra pelts. When people's recordings sound like shit, it just makes mine sound better. Win for me!

 

[RAMI]

This is true. I didn't want to believe it, but PI's egg-foam shit made his recordings sound better.

I don't understand why people get so angry about sound treatement. Who gives a fuck? I personally couldn't care less if someone wants to use egg crates, trash bags, or zebra pelts. When people's recordings sound like shit, it just makes mine sound better. Win for me!

I bet he did other thigs that changed his recording sound more. Poetic is always changing his "methods" and saying he "Should have" done this and "should have " done that when replaying to people's comments on his recordings. I'm sure he probably changed mics, or mic position, or where his drums were set up in the room, as well as supposedly add egg crates. But like you said, who really cares? Well, I sort of do. But I'm not sure why.

 

[Greg_L]

I bet he did other thigs that changed his recording sound more. Poetic is always changing his "methods" and saying he "Should have" done this and "should have " done that when replaying to people's comments on his recordings. I'm sure he probably changed mics, or mic position, or where his drums were set up in the room, as well as supposedly add egg crates. But like you said, who really cares? Well, sort of do. But I'm not sure why.

That's all very true. There's no telling what he actually did, but I don't know. He had pics and soundclips, but there's no way to really know. There was a significant difference in the sound though; even moreso than I would have thought with cheap eggcrate foam being the only difference. I'll take him for his word though. It's not like I ran out and put that shit all over my room because of it.

 

[vcneves]

To be honest with everybody here, at this point is a bit hard even for myself to ensure egg boxes have improved the recordings, because I haven't reproduced the exact same scenario with and without them. Same way I can't be so sure it hasn't as opposed to some folks here can even without being and playing there. Be sure I give credit to everybody's comment, otherwise, I woudn't be posting here in first place. PS: Including you RAMI who can't even get my name right (I'm kidding again and hope you have sense of humor and don't call me ignorant dumbass too. And thanks grimtraveller!!!)

What I can tell for sure after practicing many years is the same place is that accousticly the sound is better now than it was before - again for my taste. Perhaps it was so bad before that even a bear stuffed in the ceiling would bring positive results and probably fiberglass that the way to go from now on. Great! And as I've said I'm taking notes here.

I've included some samples bellow one with only drum kit and other with guitar and bass guitar. Not sure if this is what you guys need. If not, please, let me know.

http://bandax.webatu.com/Demo_only_drum_kit.m4a
http://bandax.webatu.com/Demo_with_guitar_and_bass_guitar.m4a

Again, my main complains are
1) How can I increase the level of Bass Drum recording without compromise its tone/color which I like?
2) How can I bring more tone/color to overhead mic recording? I guess I'm looking for more midrange frequencies and less high frequencies.

Also, feel free to add any other feedback you may have. I may cry in the corner a bit, but I can take it

 

[c7sus]

That was kind of unnecesary. If someone has gone down a particular path believing it to be right, a few posts on an internet forum are unlikely to change that person's mind instantly. Vcneves' responses don't confirm that they are an ignorant dumbass, rather, they confirm that someone has heard something that dramatically challenges what they thought to be right and they are going through the natural internal struggle that leads to possibly a different conclusion. Neves has already said and ~ hardly ignorant dumbassery.

Maybe the guy believes in creationism and that the earth is flat too. Seems like placebo effect is playing into this too.

"Gawd created the earth and heavens in six days and on the seventh he verily soundproofed my room with cardboard and improved my humble drum recordings with egg crates amen."

But physics isn't on his side by any means. If you would like to expand upon the use of cardboard for SOUNDPROOFING applications I would love to see that dissertation.

 

[RAMI]

OK, lets' face it. If you have an empty cement room and record, then put egg cartons all over the walls and record, the sound will change. It has to. So, me saying it does "absolutely nothing" at all is probably false. I mean, obviously going from an empty cement room to just about anything on the walls will change something. But it's not "sound proofing" anything because it definitely won't stop sound from going in or going out. So I guess it can loosely be called "sound treatment", but definitely not sound proofing.

 

[Greg_L]

Let's call it "sound changing". Egg crates will change the sound from shit to crap.

 

[MG Eddie]

Would you be able to post a pic of your drum kit mic'ed up?

 

[moresound]

Let's call it "sound changing". Egg crates will change the sound from shit to crap.

Change we can all live with!

 

[Supercreep]

Egg crates and cardboard do not come highly recommended at HR. Other products work better, are safer, and are more attractive.

OP, you asked for recommendations and you got them. Anything else?

 

[leddy]

To be honest with everybody here, at this point is a bit hard even for myself to ensure egg boxes have improved the recordings, because I haven't reproduced the exact same scenario with and without them. Same way I can't be so sure it hasn't as opposed to some folks here can even without being and playing there. Be sure I give credit to everybody's comment, otherwise, I woudn't be posting here in first place. PS: Including you RAMI who can't even get my name right (I'm kidding again and hope you have sense of humor and don't call me ignorant dumbass too. And thanks grimtraveller!!!)

What I can tell for sure after practicing many years is the same place is that accousticly the sound is better now than it was before - again for my taste. Perhaps it was so bad before that even a bear stuffed in the ceiling would bring positive results and probably fiberglass that the way to go from now on. Great! And as I've said I'm taking notes here.

I've included some samples bellow one with only drum kit and other with guitar and bass guitar. Not sure if this is what you guys need. If not, please, let me know.

http://bandax.webatu.com/Demo_only_drum_kit.m4a
http://bandax.webatu.com/Demo_with_guitar_and_bass_guitar.m4a

Again, my main complains are
1) How can I increase the level of Bass Drum recording without compromise its tone/color which I like?
2) How can I bring more tone/color to overhead mic recording? I guess I'm looking for more midrange frequencies and less high frequencies.

Also, feel free to add any other feedback you may have. I may cry in the corner a bit, but I can take it

I hear boatloads of comb filtering, which points to phase issues between the multiple mics and/or room issues. It almost sounds like the polarity is flipped on one side of this sound file. Gives me a headache.

How many mics did you use? Where were they placed?

 

[chrisharris]

Your responses are confirming that you are an ignorant dumbass and your continued clinging to cardboard and egg cartons as a solution is just demonstrating your unwillingness to accept reality.

Good luck with that.

I'm not reading the rest of this thread, but somebody should call you a dick right about now. You're a dick.