Interesting Mic controversy

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alanhyatt said:
This mic has has been sold continuously on the open market for the last 6 years and no one seems to have embraced it yet.

If this mic was so good, it would have been known a long time ago.
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I think thats a very good point.

H2H
 
Its not about how good or bad the mic sounds -- its about the practise and especially the response of a high-end mic company when confronted.
 
Giganova said:
Its not about how good or bad the mic sounds -- its about the practise and especially the response of a high-end mic company when confronted.
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Agreed, but they answered the questions.... They say they put it in a $200.00 wooden box, they say they make some changes electronically. I don't think it matters what they do to it, if they do anything at all....

This is why people shop. You don't want to pay more for something you can get elsewhere for less, no mater how good or bad it is. Each manufacturer has the right to charge what they think the market will bear. They did not say "they" built it like ADK said about their mikes a few years ago.

I don't think they deceived anyone. They just tried to get a lot of money for an old mic model that has been around the block way more than one time and way more than one brand name... :)
 
Sorry, I should have completed my thoughts.

I was kind of dragged into the thought that, wow I can buy an Apex and say its the same as a Telefunken and I'll be cool. But if that mic in any form is just not so special then I should save my money. Sorry, this thought isn't for the benefit of others, thats why I didn't type it in the first place. Just what I was thinking to myself. :)

carry on.

H2H
 
I agree, Alan. I don't even know if I'm more disappointed that such a respected company relies on such methods to earn "quick cash", or that it obviously came to the point that they felt they need to do so to survive.
 
alanhyatt said:
Look Familiar Printouts from a TEF will prove nothing. A graph will not tell you how
any microphone will sound...in fact, looking at the specifications of
any mic will not accurately portray its characteristics, especially
given the conditions of the room it will be used in. It does help in the
marketing of the product. If this mic was so good, it would have been
known a long time ago.
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Certainly frequency plots don't tell you how a mic will sound, but given that the graphs of the two mics examined are identical, what sonic characteristics could the M16 have besides frequency and amplitude that would separate it from the 460? Granted, there was no proximity effect measurment, but because they have the same electronics and capsule I would guess that they would be similar in that respect too.
 
alanhyatt said:
Look Familiar

This mic has has been sold continuously on the open market for the last 6 years and no one seems to have embraced it yet. So what's all the fuss about this time???
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...so Alan...how much for that sample mic?...c'mon, give a strugglin' producer a break...
 
alanhyatt said:
Look Familiar

This mic has has been sold continuously on the open market for the last 6 years and no one seems to have embraced it yet. So what's all the fuss about this time???
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I just embraced it :) I got a Nady, so far, the cheapest version of it. I didn't get it b/c of Tele or others or the controversy, I just wanted another supercheap tube mic for the hell of it. I think the Nady tcm1150 so far is the lowest price tube mic I've seen. Having variable polar patterns is something I could play and learn from. And it looks really cool w/ the shock mount up on the stand. :cool:

I also like the way it comes apart so easy, just unscrew the bottom and the electronics are right there, yes it looks just like the other pics if I remember them right.

Even if I had the $$$ I wouldn't spend it on a mic unless I rented it and tried it and its competitors and really fell in love with it. After all I'm still doing HOME recording.

Glad I found it, only one test but I like it so far, even if I eventually hate it, no biggie.
 
alanhyatt said:
They did not say "they" built it like ADK said about their mikes a few years ago.
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You really have a hate on for ADK, don't you? You seem to slam them at every opportunity, even when its not at all relevent to the current discussion.
 
Olflattop said:
Certainly frequency plots don't tell you how a mic will sound, but given that the graphs of the two mics examined are identical, what sonic characteristics could the M16 have besides frequency and amplitude that would separate it from the 460? Granted, there was no proximity effect measurment, but because they have the same electronics and capsule I would guess that they would be similar in that respect too.
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Agreed, but then you have two similar not so very good microphones at any price...... :)
 
kidvybes said:
...so Alan...how much for that sample mic?...c'mon, give a strugglin' producer a break...
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Trust me man, you don't want it....
 
nkjanssen said:
You really have a hate on for ADK, don't you? You seem to slam them at every opportunity, even when its not at all relevent to the current discussion.
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ADK said they built their mikes in Austria..Audio Deutchmark K.... something or other. I did not say this..they did. Dan Richards and many others know about that blunder.

All I did was point out that Telefunken did not make this claim that ADK did. I also said other brands have claimed they made their mikes in a place that they did not...Look at BPM mikes...Said it was hand made in Germany. Even had an authentic Chamber of Commerce Certificate. I still have the copy of that certificate... They were made in China...

No, I do not like Larry at ADK, but I own two of their mikes! Why I own them does not matter....It was not my intention to intentionally slam them, for that if it offended you I am sorry, but it was the only brand reference that I thought of at the time I wrote the post....Believe, it or not.....
 
Giganova said:
Its not about how good or bad the mic sounds -- its about the practise and especially the response of a high-end mic company when confronted.
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AMEN... you can say that again brother.

Who knows what your really buying these days with all the rebaged, counterfeit and etc type Chinese made mics on the market today.
 
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alanhyatt said:
....It was not my intention to intentionally slam them, for that if it offended you I am sorry, but it was the only brand reference that I thought of at the time I wrote the post....Believe, it or not.....
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I'm not offended. I don't care, really. I've just seen you do it a number of times and thought it was interesting. One doesn't normally see that kind of animosity between manufacturers.
 
DJL said:
He's been doing that type of marketing on the internet for years.
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So your actions over the last three years must make you a Saint :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
nkjanssen said:
I'm not offended. I don't care, really. I've just seen you do it a number of times and thought it was interesting. One doesn't normally see that kind of animosity between manufacturers.
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Hey...It happens.....Just like Sports teams. Many of them hate each other. Any rivalry has its issues. I used to be friendly with Larry, but he overstepped his bounds to me...Anyway, if your cool, I'm cool :)
 
No... but you have been doing that type of marketing on the internet for years.
 
DJL said:
No... but you have been doing that type of marketing on the internet for years.
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Not again Don, please don't.

Alan does have a point.
 
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