Interesting Mic controversy

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This is sad but I for one would pay to see DJL taken to the cleaner's in a court of law. He has libelled for years now and whether we think would react the way Alan does or not, we can only defend his right to react in that way as a legitimate response to a smear campaign.

If Sound on Sound or Pro Sound News printed the things DJL does, they would be paying large sums to Alan Hyatt in damages. Why should it be permitted here?

Of course, this could still all be solved by a moderator on this website.
 
Look... here comes PMI-AG's internet friends with the flames.

kidvybes said:
...the sad thing here is, I doubt there are any followers of this BB that give this moron (DJL) any thread of credibility to begin with...there are a few other constant flamers of Chinese made microphones on this site (we all know who they are) but at least they have established some sense of credibility as engineers/musicians who have some real world experience with these products, while this loser is nothing more than annoying fool...I mean, c'mon..."incinerating"?...you gotta be kidding...

Alan...don't waste your time with this guy...those of us who actually use the products discussed on this site are more than capable of judging the value they possess...I truly doubt anybody would refuse to purchase any well respected product sold at a very affordable price because of something said by this character (or another like him)...let it go...(besides, the guy is already pissing in his pants)...
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Oops, spelling has never been my strong point... anyway, I meant "insinuating".

Oh and for the record... I don't know kidvybes, nor does he/she know me.

Sorry about that Han... anyway, I'm done.
 
you can have any dam opinion you want, right or wrong, and it's not libel.

lets see...... i think your mom f*^%$ animals.-not libel, and used by politicians and the media all the time.

i seriously doubt any one could proove harm based on the posts of one guy on a forum saying someones "product sucks".

but thare are some actual layers that post here, i wonder what they think.

(they're probably staying away from this farce, i happen to think it's kinda funny)
 
DJL said:
Oops, spelling has never been my strong point... anyway, I meant "insinuating".

Oh and for the record... I don't know kidvybes, nor does he/she know me.
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No "flames" man...just a reality check...I don't need to know a man personally to recognize "a fool with an agenda"...I know Alan Hyatt (NOT the fool) about as well as I know you...just from the postings on this site...
 
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giraffe said:
you can have any dam opinion you want, right or wrong, and it's not libel.

lets see...... i think your mom f*^%$ animals.-not libel, and used by politicians and the media all the time.

i seriously doubt any one could proove harm based on the posts of one guy on a forum saying someones "product sucks".

but thare are some actual layers that post here, i wonder what they think.

(they're probably staying away from this farce, i happen to think it's kinda funny)
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One of the elements you must prove to win any libel or slander lawsuit is "damage". The business with the claim must prove it has lost sales and further prove those lost sales resulted in lost profits. Good luck.
 
DJL said:
Look at what Mr. Alan Hyatt CEO of PMI Audio Group just sent me... and by the way Alan the message you sent me isn't an email... therefore, I am posting it for everyone to see.

I believe this is just more proof that PMI-AG will do anything to market their products and shut people up who don't like their cheap Chinese made mics and etc.
Alan Hyatt said:
Cease & Desist

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If you think I am kidding, keep it up. You are lying about what my company does and what it says. Just because several of the posters here do not think our products keep up with German mikes costing $3,000.00, there are 25 professional reviewers, and 100 or more produceers, artists, and engineers who do. We do not say we are better than Neumann.

We do not rebadge microphones, and there is no one who attacks you that is on my payroll...So again, I care less what is in your attorny's safebox, because I think that is a lie. However, please e-mail his address since you now claim you have representation, you now must give me his address so he may be contacted....Ask your attorney...I want his address. Don't make me hunt you down, because I will. I know someone who has your address through a publication, so I can get it.

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of any kind is strictly
prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, contact the sender via reply
e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
__________________
Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
Studio Projects Joemeek Toft Audio
www.pmiaudio.com
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Mr. Alan Hyatt... I believe my above post already proved PMI Audio Group (YOU) has verbally attacked me... and I don't know if you "rebadge microphones" or not, nor have I ever said you "rebadge microphones"... and you better read again what I said... because I never said I put anything in my ATTORNY'S safebox. Also, I do beleive you are incinerating on your web page that Studio Projects/797 Audio mics are better than Neumann mics... so I don't beleive I am lying about your company. And this thread proves I'm not the only one who believes the above.

Oh, and while you are at it... why don't you tell everyone here who you are going to get my address from... so they all can be forewarned that their address isn't safe with that publication. Also, that way if and when I get hurt everyone will know who aided you in hurting me.
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DJL, since you seem to enjoy defending your right of posting opinions and posting private correspondence, I guess that means I also have the right to post your private correspondence to me, which includes your address (or don't my rights extend as far as yours)?

I am so sick of your snipping at Alan every chance you get, and I'm equally sick of Alan's responses, that then escalate into another angry thread - and it's always about you, you you. Always about poor DJL and his right to his opinions about Alan and his company - even though this thread is/was about Telefunken vs. Apex. You had to turn it into another thread - ALL ABOUT YOU, AND YOUR RIGHTS.

And "Alan threatening to kill you"? Gimme a fuckin' break.

Now, if you agree that I have the same rights to post private messages (sent to me) as you have, then I'll post the correspondence from you, with your address here, openly, then everybody will know your address, and you won't hafta point your finger at anybody.

So, do I have the same rights as you have? This is NOT a threat, DJL. Just asking if I have the same rights to post private correspondence as you have?

Or, shall we all agree quietly to just let this whole thing drop and start acting like adults (even if it is just "acting")?
 
And for the record, my address and phone number is:

Harvey Gerst
8676 Travis Road,
Sanger, Texas 76266
(940) 482-3422
 
Harvey Gerst said:
DJL, since you seem to enjoy defending your right of posting opinions and posting private correspondence, I guess that means I also have the right to post your private correspondence to me, which includes your address (or don't my rights extend as far as yours)?

I am so sick of your snipping at Alan every chance you get, and I'm equally sick of Alan's responses, that then escalate into another angry thread - and it's always about you, you you. Always about poor DJL and his right to his opinions about Alan and his company - even though this thread is/was about Telefunken vs. Apex. You had to turn it into another thread - ALL ABOUT YOU, AND YOUR RIGHTS.

And "Alan threatening to kill you"? Gimme a fuckin' break.

Now, if you agree that I have the same rights to post private messages (sent to me) as you have, then I'll post the correspondence from you, with your address here, openly, then everybody will know your address, and you won't hafta point your finger at anybody.

So, do I have the same rights as you have? This is NOT a threat, DJL. Just asking if I have the same rights to post private correspondence as you have?

Or, shall we all agree quietly to just let this whole thing drop and start acting like adults (even if it is just "acting")?
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Harvey, you are not the only hr.com member who has my old address... Recording Engineer even has my phone number... and of course I believe you have the right to post my message to you... it would upset me, but none the less I do believe you have the right to do so. Anyway, like I've already told Han... I'm done. So, yes I agree to quietly let this whole thing drop and to start acting like an adult... and to prove to you that I mean what I say... I will ban myself from hr.com for a few days... starting right now. Goodbye. :(
 
Thanks For Readin' Folks...get home safe!...

...and that's the end of our broadcast!...I now officially pronounce this thread DEAD...(or at least it ought to be, after Harvey's appropriate posting)...
 
If you say something quantifiably untrue that is damaging to a company, a court of law can force you to publicly withdraw that statement. George Galloway is a rich man because of it.

And I'll say it again, if this is all it takes to get rid of DJL for a while, I think we should all put it in our diaries.
 
And DJL STILL refuses to put a link to a SINGLE example of ANY work he has done. I don't think he even owns any recording equipment at all. He just regurgitates what he reads on the net then acts as a troll.

He can feel free to prove otherwise.

H2H
 
Harvey Gerst said:
And for the record, my address and phone number is:

Harvey Gerst
8676 Travis Road,
Sanger, Texas 76266
(940) 482-3422
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Harvey, I'm heading south with the beer. :D
 
Look, I'm not trying to get rid of DJL, or Alan, for that matter. I'd just like to see this place free from this kinda shit. If Alan is out of line, chessrock, acorec, and a few others (including me) will straighten him out. DJL doesn't hafta jump in on those posts, and the mic forum will run much smoother.

DJL can, and has, posted some good stuff here, and I applaud that. Alan has too, and I appreciate his insider looks at the industry from time to time. Alan knows a lot about Chinese mic manufacturing, so we can all benefit from his knowledge, and many of us can separate the facts from the fancy, if it becomes too self-serving. Alan knows it, and he knows we know it.

Studio Projects, MXL, ADK, and even Nady and Behringer have done the home recording market a valuable service by providing competitively priced microphones, and that's a good thing. If Alan would just avoid the hype a little more, and DJL would quit with all the innuendos, this would be one of the best forums on the Internet. Both Alan AND DJL could contribute so much more if this were a friendlier place.

That's all I want for this forum; that's all I've ever wanted.
 
Living in the real world....

In the world I live in you don't have to prove damage (a tort) to file suit.

In the world I live in anyone can file suit against anyone at anytime for any reason. And if you don't answer the suit within (usually) 25 to 40 days YOU LOSE.

In the world I live in it will cost you at least 10,000 dollars to get a lawyer to represent you in federal court. I mean to just walk in the door to the courthouse and say "I represent DJL". Of course since you are made of money this won't be a problem for you, but it would be a concern for me.

I have viewed this BB for years and have gotten at least 50,000 dollars (conservative estimate) in saved time, money and equipment, that I could'nt have gotten anywhere else.

Some of this information you can only buy with blood, sweat, tears and time.

And Harvey Gerst, Alan Hyatt, Chessrock, Phill, and many, many others GIVE IT AWAY just to try to help.

You have probably not hurt PMI audio, but if you continue to degrade and hijack this BB you have absolutly hurt me.

If anyone finds this offensive please call me directly at 606-875-3591 and vent all you wish, just don't clutter this place up with more BS.

And to all of you that have given the best of your years and decades of experience, THANKS.
 
I think we all appreciate your post, Rstiltskin, whoever you are.

I was a reader of this forum for about a year before I signed up. I'm sad to say I earned more in that year than I have since, because I seem to end up spending hours of my spare time posting in useless arguments. I guess I still haven't learned to stand up for what I believe in.

There are still some real experts on this site, but they are fewer in number each week. I'm not one of them, and have never claimed to be. Somehow, this internet forum model allows and idiot to come and take a pop at an industry insider, and then allows relatively clueless hobbyists like me to get involved in the repercussions. Crazy - none of us would be in a position to fire off at people like Harvey, Alan, John Scrip, Ted Perlman or whoever if it weren't for the forums, yet so many seem intend on biting the hand that feeds.
 
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