Insulation behind dry wall?

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Do NOT double the drywall. It will drain your budget and do nothing. You need to check out sound deadening boards like Sound Stop Look up http://www.blueridgefiberboard.com/soundstop-maximize-sound-deadening/"]http://www.blueridgefiberboard.com/soundstop-maximize-sound-deadening/ and Soundproofing noisy neighbours with sound insulation. Soundproofing walls, acoustic insulation for ceilings & floors. Soundproof with Soundstop UK.
. It should go up first and then the drywall staggered over it. (You can also put it up over the drywall but you will have to then put up painter's drop clothes stapled into it to avoid the gritty stuff dropping over time.) The epoxy floors is one idea, but you might consider dropping several sheets of plywood for flooring before putting down the area rugs. That floor finish is going to be WAY too reflective. Put the flooring as two side by side for the drums, several in a row at one end for the guitars and bass and one for the vacalist. Then fill the area in between with scrap carpeting from a hotel dumpster. (they are always putting in new carpet and throwing out the old and it's still good. Sometime they also throw out the under-padding. I also found some 2 x 4 ceiling acoustic panels that way and put them up on the walls.) The plywood panels will make a good live sound for recording; not too dead and the carpeting will keep the overtones in control. Hang rungs or blankets on the walls and I found some rolls of 1/4" foam and draped it at six foot intervals hanging down about six inches between the staples to kill the echos. I also put a double door, one on the outside an one on the inside with sound stop between. I spent a total of about $3000. Here's an estimate: drum plywood $50. Guitars ( four to six panels @ $25 each, $100 to $150) One for the vocalist $25. Sound stop: appox $50 per panel is about $1500 for your amount of space. Good luck,
Rod Norman, engineer

fuzzsniffvoyage said:
I'm going to be gutting my basement and refinishing it. Does it matter much what kind of insulation I use in the ceiling? I'm planning on doubling up on the sheet rock to help as a barrier from up stairs. And as far as the walls go, I'm going single sheets with insulation behind, maybe a spray in or something moisture resistant. Though I am install a dehumidifier.

I'm painting the floor with epoxy, like the kind you'd paint on your garage floor, and going to use area rugs.

The room is going to be 25' x 35' (rounded) and 8' ceilings.

I have 5k allocated for this renovation. (Including tear out) This also includes running electric & installing lights. The only catch is I must use a licensed contractor.

After the renovation, I have another 1k to use for acoustic treatment. OC 703 or what ever I decide to use.

So at this point I'm mainly concerned with what's inside the walls.
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Do NOT double the drywall. It will drain your budget and do nothing.
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Do NOT double the drywall? Bull.

Sound Stop By Celotex

Acoustics 101...Practical acoustic construction guidelines for building a sound studio, recording studio,listening room, home theater room, and any other sound control room project.

Drain your budget????? Says one who spent $50 per sheet when he could have used plain 5/8" drywall and accomplished BETTER RESULTS.:facepalm: I'm sorry Rod, you are wrong.

FACT..MASS=TRANSMISSION LOSS FACT..DRYWALL is much heavier than those fiber product. And about 1/4 the cost. Living proof..when in doubt..use Lab tests

See..GWBvsSB.pdf in first link.

both are 1/2". Use 5/8" and the results are better.
 
My measurements were off, a lot. Here's the measurements:

basic lay out.webp

With the proposed control room at 11' x 12', I don't believe there is enough room for a hallway. I'm leaning toward the one room approach.

Any way the house is moving forward. We now have water and heat. The boiler doesn't need replaced, so that'll save me a few bucks. We're waiting for a dumpster to be dropped off to start demolishing the basement. Then I can get a real feel for the space.
 
Fuzz,

QuietRock is fine if you have deep pockets.

They make that stuff so that it's simple and easy to put up.. you don't have to overlap several layer to get the thickness/mass you want. It is NOT better than good old firecode drywall though. AND the reason that it is NOT recommended for ceilings is because it comes 3/4" thick or 1" thick, etc., and you only put ONE screw in it.. not several as you would for layers of firecode. I.e.; 2 layers of 5/8" is 1 1/4" thick.. you have screws in the first layer then screws in the second layer.. I have put 4 layers on ceilings like this. no problem. But you don't want to put a heavy, one-piece unit up hanging on little drywall screws, hanging on the paper cover of the stuff.. LOL. It's going to fall on your head. ;)

Mass is mass - firecode drywall/gypsum board is the best bang per buck. layer it up until you have the mass you need. Also note that 24" joist and stud spacing provide superior LF performance over 16" spacing.

Cheers,
John
 
:guitar:The studio is coming along great, it's almost finished with some trim work needing done and a door swapped out. I have Roxul Safe n Sound behind the drywall on the wall, and pink stuff in the ceiling with 2 layers of drywall. I still need to order up some OC 703 for some panels and clouds. I'll use some recycled denim for the super chunks in the corners. I'm going to build some diffusers as well. Here's some pics of the process so far.:guitar:

Dam, it's not letting me up load any pics???
 
Yes its still a mess, but I'll get it cleaned up soon enough.........and my lava lamp broke!!!!!
 
It looks nice sir, I am starting closing in my room this weekend. I like the floor.
 
Atkron205 said:
It looks nice sir, I am starting closing in my room this weekend. I like the floor.
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Thanks!
This is a basement studio with concrete walls and floor. On the floor I painted it with the epoxy like you would in the garage. Look great with the vinyl base board. Also easy to clean when beer gets spilled.
 
Nice! Now get those corners treated! And that lava lamp replaced. Maybe some throw rugs in each 'oops' area (like where guitars are).
 
I really miss having a basement.

Looks great, man. A lot of sweat put into it means a lot of great tuneage to come out of it. :)
 
fuzzsniffvoyage said:
Yes its still a mess, but I'll get it cleaned up soon enough.........and my lava lamp broke!!!!!
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Hey, how is that RTA Producer Station working out for you? I might pick up the smaller Creation Station as I don't have a whole lot of gear. Your studio looks really good!
 
BTW: In the future, it would be so much nicer if you reduced the size of your pics to less than 100k. As it is now, they take forever to download.
 
Chili said:
BTW: In the future, it would be so much nicer if you reduced the size of your pics to less than 100k. As it is now, they take forever to download.
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I'll have to figure out how to do that.
 
dainbramage said:
Hey, how is that RTA Producer Station working out for you? I might pick up the smaller Creation Station as I don't have a whole lot of gear. Your studio looks really good!
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Thanks! The RTA is decent, I held out 'til I found one on Craigs List, I got it for $200.00 perfect condition! The Creation Station is awesome, the guys at Sweetwater hooked me up, I paid full price, but they maxed out the memory 32GB RAM for free, though I did install it myself. highly recommend.
 
fuzzsniffvoyage said:
Thanks! The RTA is decent, I held out 'til I found one on Craigs List, I got it for $200.00 perfect condition! The Creation Station is awesome, the guys at Sweetwater hooked me up, I paid full price, but they maxed out the memory 32GB RAM for free, though I did install it myself. highly recommend.
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Cool, so you have the Creation Station as well? I read some people complaining about the height of the upper level, something about neck pain and that it "must have been designed by giraffes". Also, some people feel the lower level is a bit too low. Any thoughts on that? It looks great though.
 
Now that you mention the height, it is a bit high, have to aim the monitors down at my ears, even with my chair height all the way up. As far as the lower level I guess it's okay. One thing I would like is where the computer keyboard goes, I'd like to have my midi controller (Akai MPK49) there on the sliding shelf, and put the computer keys on the desk top. I'd also like to have the edges padded.

I've had the idea in the back of my mind to rebuild the desk, use the same parts, but reconfigure it to suit my needs more. Slant the desk top and put padding on the front edge and add more rack space on top.
 
Moved desk to short wall. Placed desk 3 1/2' from wall to allow door to swing open, and have plenty of access behind desk.:thumbs up:
HPIM3184.webp

And my mic collection: HPIM3192.webp

As you can see, the studio is a bit cluttered right now. Selling sports cards on eBay to get more money for gear.:listeningmusic:

I have some scrap wood that I'm going to make some diffusors out of.

And I'm going to build some super chunk traps to go into the corners behind desk. I'm going to use the recycled denim for the super chunks.

And some panels on walls, 1st reflection. And some clouds above desk and drum kit. I'll use 3" OC 703 or maybe the Prime acoustics version.

I figured that it'll cost me around a grand to build all this myself. Burlap, wood, hangers, brackets, screws and insulation.

Waiting on my back pay from work, been working without a contract for 2 years :mad: I want my effing money :cursing: any way, all in good time.:rolleyes:
 
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