Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Bob, I have a couple of sets of Paridigms. Mini mkII's and Titans. My Yorkies sound so much better than they do by an order of magnitude. Just my humble opinion. YMMV.
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
chessrock said:
That's true if the crossover point is not set correctly. You may need to buy a crossover to ensure that too much of one area in the bottom is not being reinforced and producing an unbalanced frequency response. Also even in a matched set of monitors placement of the sub is critical. The sub must be in phase with the other speakers or the frequency response will not be flat.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
Well.....you've heard them both and I've only heard the paradigms and I trust your ears so there.Track Rat said:
Although I was thinking more of the floorstanders....the Studio 60s.....but I don't think Al has room for them anyway
Get the Yorkies Al...............
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Boy, I've yet to hear anybody rip the Yorkvilles. That in itself is a testament to a product--especially monitor speakers. Folks will argue for days about which monitor is better, but everyone seems to really like these. Even Blue Bear likes 'em! I think I may just order a pair!
sonusman
Banned
crawdad said:
Who ripped Mackies when they first came out? Who ripped the Rodes NT1?
This could be more of a case that they have possibly hit their target market well, which could possibly the unassuming masses.
My experience with Yorkville in live sound is not so hot. Their PA speakers are mostly garbage can rubbish, and their power amps do some pretty screwed up things when pushed even modestly hard.
Combining their speaker design with the amp design in a studio monitor?
I cannot truthfully say that I have even heard their studio monitors. But I personally would stay away from all Yorkville products based on my past experience with them. I would venture to say that it is far easier to design an acceptable live PA box than a studio monitor. And I am very leary of their amplifiers as a whole anyway.
As Bruce likes to say, YMMV. I am just saying that not hearing bad reviews about them yet might not be the testament to the product that you think it is. Come to think of it, the Alesis Monitor One's didn't get horrible reviews at first either!
Possibly, not enough professional engineers have decided to waste their time reviewing Yorkville, because Yorkville doesn't enjoy that great of a reputation in the live sound market (except to those that think they can get a lot of good power for cheap....) and staying along those lines, how would they be any better in the studio monitor market?
Who knows. Personally, my Event 20/20's passive have worked great for the 6 1/2 years I have used them. When positioned right in a decent room, the mixes that sound good on them translate into mixes that sound right on most every playback system.
I am NOT saying that you should buy 20/20's, or ANY brand for that matter. I think what I am getting at is that you need to audition thoroughly many different monitors, and try to go into this auditioning process with an open mind. It would be wise to bring along a CD of your own productions that you think sounded good, and also those that didn't sound so good on other speakers. See which monitors show WHY they didn't sound so good, etc.....
Good luck.
Ed
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bleyrad
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This, believe it or not, I actually agree with. Their live stuff is worth exactly what you pay for it - no more. Doesn't sound great.
But the YSM1p's are a completely different story.
Combining their speaker design with the amp design in a studio monitor?
OK, that's your theoretical viewpoint. But why are you bashing a product you've never listened to?
sonusman
Banned
bleyrad said:
Call it intuition, and too many years or watching companies branch out into areas that they are totally incapable of excelling in! Yorkville just doesn't have a track record of making excellent product. For somebody looking for something on the cheap, and doesn't know any better, their stuff seems to be quiite good. But once it is put to brutal use, their stuff just sound lousy.
Man, you just gotta hear some Meyer HD1's!!! THEY are a company that did their stuff right! First time I heard one of my mixes on them, I heard EVERYTHING that was wrong with the mix, and I was in a totally foreign room. Few monitors will display such truth! But some do it better than others.
One of the problems I see with using Yorkville amps, is that in my experience, they don't supply sufficient headroom at all. Push them even remotely hard and you will more than likely blow the drivers. I have seen Yorkville amps do this time and time again. There WILL come a day when you have a master fader up too high, or do some stupid routing thing in your recording chain, and you will be sending a square wave to the amp. I have done this too many times to count with my Hafler P-3000 and Event 20/20's, and 6 1/2 years later, have yet to blow a driver!
In addition, the Hafler is over powering the speakers by about 70%, which is a VERY prudent thing to do to keep a clean monitoring path. Trust me, Yorkville is NOT going to give you anything close to that kind of headroom in their self powered monitors. Without excessive headroom, you will likely never hear errant bass frequency spikes. I should say, they will be very hard to pinpoint because you will drive the amp to clip and get distortion (and probably blow a driver).Anyway, after 22 years of working with "pro" audio gear of all qualities, and in all capacities, I am seldomly "pleasently surprised" with manufactures that traditionally have less than good products actually coming up with something that IS good. Peavey almost came up with something usable with the 5150 and Triple X guitar amps, and their original tube mic preamps, but it turns out that the 5150 and Triple X are VERY high maintnance amps (they are in the shop a lot and are totally not "road worthy"), and for some god unknown reason, they quite making their original tube mic pre, and now have a scaled down, very cheap build quality "new" version, that doesn't sound as good.
I remember how the Rodes NT-1 was all the rage. Now people practically give them away. I could probably, with a bit of thinking, come up with at least a couple dozen "da bomb" products that are now seen for what they are, cheap. I might be wrong, and only time will tell, but I suspect that Yorkville studio monitors are going to join that list.
But buy away. I personally don't trust ANY of their products as being a good investment. Monitors SHOULD be an investment as they are your "ears" in the studio.
Ed
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
And the moral of the story is don't use gear that Ed doesn't like, even if he's never seen or used it.
dobro
Well-known member
ROFLMARO
Seems like old times... I always forget how dumb I am until Ed comes round LOL.
Seems like old times...
I always forget how dumb I am until Ed comes round LOL.
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bleyrad
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i really think you just need to go listen to the yorkies before you say stuff like this.
regarding clipping/blowing drivers:
the ysm1p's have a defeatable master limiter switch on each speaker (which seems transparent to me unless you really, REALLY drive the speakers painfully loud), plus a seperate non-defeatable woofer over-excursion circuit, plus a seperate tweeter over-power curcuit, plus a "clip" LED on the front (which I've never, ever seen light up.) you are not going to be blowing these drivers. i'm pretty certain it's downright impossible. but they can still go extraordinarily loud.
oh, and re: Rode NT1. I have one. I still like it, believe it or not! It's one of the older ones, before they changed the capsule design and the mic apparently went to shit.
I tend to like using my own judgement, rather than the judgement of others. I didn't even read up on the YSM1p's at all (didn't even know they EXISTED) before going to the store and auditioning monitors. But they gave the cleanest, smoothest, openest, flattest representation out of all the monitors at the store: INCLUDING the HR824's!! And that is why they are sitting on my desk, and have been for the past two years.
The Yorkies are not going away.
regarding clipping/blowing drivers:
the ysm1p's have a defeatable master limiter switch on each speaker (which seems transparent to me unless you really, REALLY drive the speakers painfully loud), plus a seperate non-defeatable woofer over-excursion circuit, plus a seperate tweeter over-power curcuit, plus a "clip" LED on the front (which I've never, ever seen light up.) you are not going to be blowing these drivers. i'm pretty certain it's downright impossible. but they can still go extraordinarily loud.
oh, and re: Rode NT1. I have one. I still like it, believe it or not! It's one of the older ones, before they changed the capsule design and the mic apparently went to shit.
I tend to like using my own judgement, rather than the judgement of others. I didn't even read up on the YSM1p's at all (didn't even know they EXISTED) before going to the store and auditioning monitors. But they gave the cleanest, smoothest, openest, flattest representation out of all the monitors at the store: INCLUDING the HR824's!! And that is why they are sitting on my desk, and have been for the past two years.
The Yorkies are not going away.
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bleyrad
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yes, their live stuff is crappy.
you seem to think a distinction between that and their monitors is impossible. it's not.
really, your statements are all false when applied to the ysm1p's. for god's sake, listen before you trash. your opinion is based on absolutely nothing of merit pertaining to their monitors (even though it may apply to their live stuff) and i thought you would be wise enough not to go lashing out and jumping to conclusions without any sort of facts.
you seem to think a distinction between that and their monitors is impossible. it's not.
really, your statements are all false when applied to the ysm1p's. for god's sake, listen before you trash. your opinion is based on absolutely nothing of merit pertaining to their monitors (even though it may apply to their live stuff) and i thought you would be wise enough not to go lashing out and jumping to conclusions without any sort of facts.
sonusman
Banned
Reread my posts carefully. You are reading into them something that is not there.
Ed
Ed
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Well, I still have not fallen back in love with my NS-10M's, so I am still looking. Thanks for all the thoughts, both for and against the Yorkvilles. I suppose I could just learn to compensate for the lack of bass and do OK. Except for bass, my mixes translate pretty well from the Yamaha's to the real world. A pair of passive Yokvilles are just over two bills, so its not a huge risk to try a pair.
Every time some new product comes along, I read the stellar reviews, like with the Mackies. Then, down the road, I start to hear some grumbling and I start to be glad I didn't blow huge bucks on the latest and greatest.
One thing I am very leary of are monitors that make your music sound better than it really is. When Tannoys first became the rage, I worked at a studio that had a pair. Wow! What detail and separation! Shimmering! Crystal clear. Unfortunately, those mixes we did only sounded good on the Tannoy's and like muffled garbage on everything else. I've had much better luck withe the NS-10's. Heck, I still buy into the idea that if it sounds good on Auratones, it will sound good on anything. But I sure don't want to mix using Auratones!
Like many others, my budget is limited. I can't drop a grand or two right now. In this town, if I want to audition monitors, there is one source--Guitar Center. Basically, that means Alesis, Mackies, M-Audio, Event & KRK. Thats fine if I want to choose among those, but I can't even compare the Yokvilles to any of these at that store. Since Ed is wary of the power amps, my thinking is that the passive Yorkies look even better.
I also think about spending the money on the big Mackie speakers. What if Mackie goes under in five years? And I blow up the woofer or the power amp in those? I'm out a ton of money. If its the Yorkvilles, I'm out $200 and some change.
Boy, do I sound like a guy trying to convince himself to go for the cheap bargain or what?!! I know that a great lifelong set of monitors is worth the money, so maybe I should save up for some. Not to mention the Neve pre, the Lucid clock, the Apogee convertors, the Neumann mic collection, and the big bucks limiters and such. Damn, I'd have to get out of the music business and get a real job to afford all this stuff!
Every time some new product comes along, I read the stellar reviews, like with the Mackies. Then, down the road, I start to hear some grumbling and I start to be glad I didn't blow huge bucks on the latest and greatest.
One thing I am very leary of are monitors that make your music sound better than it really is. When Tannoys first became the rage, I worked at a studio that had a pair. Wow! What detail and separation! Shimmering! Crystal clear. Unfortunately, those mixes we did only sounded good on the Tannoy's and like muffled garbage on everything else. I've had much better luck withe the NS-10's. Heck, I still buy into the idea that if it sounds good on Auratones, it will sound good on anything. But I sure don't want to mix using Auratones!
Like many others, my budget is limited. I can't drop a grand or two right now. In this town, if I want to audition monitors, there is one source--Guitar Center. Basically, that means Alesis, Mackies, M-Audio, Event & KRK. Thats fine if I want to choose among those, but I can't even compare the Yokvilles to any of these at that store. Since Ed is wary of the power amps, my thinking is that the passive Yorkies look even better.
I also think about spending the money on the big Mackie speakers. What if Mackie goes under in five years? And I blow up the woofer or the power amp in those? I'm out a ton of money. If its the Yorkvilles, I'm out $200 and some change.
Boy, do I sound like a guy trying to convince himself to go for the cheap bargain or what?!!
I know that a great lifelong set of monitors is worth the money, so maybe I should save up for some. Not to mention the Neve pre, the Lucid clock, the Apogee convertors, the Neumann mic collection, and the big bucks limiters and such. Damn, I'd have to get out of the music business and get a real job to afford all this stuff!
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bleyrad
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crawdad said:
actually the yorkies have an "even if you break it" warranty - which I've used for that exact reason and with great results
as for the built-in power amps... i've been using em for two years and see absolutely no reason to be weary of them. i think they're great. they go amazingly loud. they sound great, amazingly clean. they've been 100% reliable so far... and i've yet to read any horror stories, even after talking to many many other users.
CoolCat
Well-known member
ok so I edited your quote...hee,hecrawdad said:[BI suppose I could just learn to compensate for the lack of bass and do OK. Except for bass, my mixes translate pretty well from the Yamaha's to the real world.
Boy, do I sound like a guy trying to convince himself to go for the cheap bargain or what?!!maybe I should save up for some Neve pre, the Lucid clock, the Apogee convertors, the Neumann mic collection, and the big bucks limiters and such. Damn, I'd have to get out of the music business and get a real job to afford all this stuff!
I don't know sht, except I've read a lot of articles recently...and a "big" commonality is just learning your speakers...there's no getting around this. I've been taking a beating for posting some dumbass who had a mix go platinum on Optimus 7's and NS10s...
again, you have to learn the speakers..is what I'm hearing. (good equipment is nice, but spending money to go from average to average is avoiding the inevitable? at a minimum save up for a true upgrade?)
It sounds in your own words you already know the speaker and it's shortfall, as if you have learned them.
....I'd say stick with the NS10's, they appear to be one of the industry standards, like a Fender Stratocaster is to guitars definitely not the most hi-tech precision tool but..its a fhkn Fender Strat of monitors no shame.
sounds like you got other stuff on the list$. no pun.