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hello everyone, im very glad to join this site. ive already read alot of good info on recording. ive been playing,writing music for years, but im new to recording it. ive been experimenting with a very cheap cakewalk music creator program. so far the results have been good enough to make me want to buy some decent software. that being said, what software would be a good next step ? does the software dictate the quality of the recording? so far i only have 1 mxl condenser mic and msb moble pre interface. do i even need a mixer? i record one part at a time , guitar ,bass,vocals, and for now a boss drum machine. thanks in advance for any replies
 
Welcome to the board. Sounds like you are already reaping the benefits and have a working knowledge of computer recording. Any software that gets audio into, and out of your computer will work. Recording software is just the tool used for this purpose. I like the Cakewalk products very much, and they have a number of differently priced programs available. Many of them are downloadable from Cakewalk.com as demos, so you can try a few. The single most important hardware for the DAW user are the audio digital converters in your sound device. The M-Audio is a good starter device for this purpose, so you've got that pretty well covered too. I don't think you need a mixer at this point because you are already recording without one, and geting the job done. Your microphone and it's pre-amp play very important roles in getting good sounds into your DAW. I think you might invest some time in the microphone forum here to get a good idea what works better, and fits your budget. Your room acoustics may play the biggest role in creating a recording that sounds good, and cannot be underestimated. You may spend hours, days, and weeks getting your mix right, only to discover it sounds really bad in your car or Ipod. Spend some time in the studio building forum, and spend some money on room treatment. Way too many people spend their entire budget on gear only to find that it cannot sound good in their only available room. Good luck, ask specific questions, and you'll get some great opinions here.
 
hello everyone, im very glad to join this site. ive already read alot of good info on recording. ive been playing,writing music for years, but im new to recording it. ive been experimenting with a very cheap cakewalk music creator program. so far the results have been good enough to make me want to buy some decent software. that being said, what software would be a good next step ? does the software dictate the quality of the recording? so far i only have 1 mxl condenser mic and msb moble pre interface. do i even need a mixer? i record one part at a time , guitar ,bass,vocals, and for now a boss drum machine. thanks in advance for any replies


Hi newnote!:)....see, you're already getting some!

so welcome aboard and rock-on motha-fucka!...:p

oooops....sorry...!:o......
 
i record one part at a time , guitar ,bass,vocals, and for now a boss drum machine. thanks in advance for any replies

I do the same thing. Let me give you some advice: regarding gear, don't limit yourself in any one area.

When I built the studio in my garage, I just wanted a room to play my acoustic in, so I built it small. Then I wanted a drum machine to help with the arrangements and timing. Then I wanted to record the songs I was writing so I bought an ADAT, then another and a BRC. Then I realized a drum machine for rock songs sucked ass, so I bought a drum set and learned how to play, mic, and record them. That's when I realized I should have built my room bigger, with more attention to room treatment.

Anyways, shortly after that I realized ADATs sucked, so I bought a computer. Then I realized it wasn't beefy enough to record the endless amount of tracks I was layering on, so I built a more pwerful computer, etc...

I just wanted a room to play my acoustic in. :(

This shit is time consuming and expensive! :mad: But if I didn't do it I'd be dead or in jail. I have no reason to go out and raise hell anymore.
 
Welcome & get into it.
The other folk will set you straight.
 
...ive been experimenting with a very cheap cakewalk music creator program. so far the results have been good enough to make me want to buy some decent software. ...

In what way do you think your current software is limiting you?


...does the software dictate the quality of the recording? ...

At a certain point it may. At this point I don't think it should be dictating the quality of your recording as long as you stay at least at 16 bit (44.1kHz) recording level.


...that being said, what software would be a good next step ? ...

All software tend to be pretty much the same. If it can multi-track, it will pretty much boil down to the same thing: how well you capture the saound to the computer and how well you mix it. Even if software will limit you to a certain amount of tracks - hopefully no less than 12, you should be fine.


...so far i only have 1 mxl condenser mic and msb moble pre interface. do i even need a mixer? ...

It looks like you are pretty much ahead of most beginners. Do you really need a mixer? Maybe. Do you have to unplug something in order to plug something else in? If so, it could get a bit annoying to have do that all the time. It sure would be nice to have everything plugged in all at once. So you could either get a mixer or you could upgrade your usb interface to something that would take multiple inputs at once. Either choice may cost you a few benjamin's...

Other than that, if you like the sound you are getting now, keep on doing what you are doing now. It is very easy to get caught into this "need this, need that" loop and end up spending more time looking at stuff you don't need and drooling over stuff you can't get than making music. I'll briedly describe to you what may happen if you get caught in that loop...

Once you are in that loop, everything just spirals downward. Since you may at that point think that whatever you have is inferior and that you can't get anything worthwhile out of it, your enthusiasm may decrease to record any of your music. You may then find yourself (in horror) spending perhaps thousands of $$$ on equipment. With your credit cards maxed out and you working extra overtime to pay it off, you then wont have the time to record anything on all that expensive equipment. You may be satisfied that, yes, finally you have it and when you get the time, you'll get whatever you are after that supposedly you could not achieve over your initial equipment. Ok, so finally you get some time to record, you sit down, and... oh, no! It seems like it sounds just like your initial system! Yep! And down the spiral you go once again all discouraged and wondering where you've gone wrong...

Keep up the positive attitude, and upgrade once you get to the point where you realize that you definitely need a specific piece of equipment and can easily justify to yourself the purchase. Because then you might at least understand why you are getting what you are getting and get a chance to play around with it to see if you get out of it what you were after. Perhaps you may be at that point now - what should you get? Mixer or upgrade your usb interface? Choice is yours. No single answer can be absolutely correct. Feel free to experiment.

Sorry to make it long... Whew, I feel like I got something off my chest... :D
 
superspit, you got some cool tunes there... :D:o:cool:
 
Oh, no prob.


Yeah, I like the Andrea Bongo 2005 the most... Listened to it like 25 times now... :o

Thumbs Up!


oh wow!!!....thankyou so much vadoom....that's really nice!:)
Cheers!
Spit.
 
ive been experimenting with a very cheap cakewalk music creator program.

I recommend you give REAPER a try. Here's a link ---

http://reaper.fm/

REAPER is 'uncrippled, unexpiring shareware' with a $40 shareware fee expected after 30 days use. Using REAPER your music won't necessarily sound better because digital audio is digital audio is digital audio. Where one software package has an advantage over another is in 'workflow' or ease of use --- how you get from inspiration to finished song. A music program is a tool and like any other relatively complicated tool you need to learn how to use it and once you do it should provide you with a clear path from conception to final mix. I've used REAPER since it's early beta stage and am very comfortable with it.

There are other elements to making good recordings --- at least one good microphone, one good preamp, a good sample library and a bag of tricks for getting various instruments to translate well into your computer. And as mikemorgan mentioned and assuming you're not a renter and have at least a semi-permanent studio room to work with, you can't underestimate the value of careful acoustic treatment. If done right it doesn't need to be expensive...

As others have said, good luck and welcome to the board.


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thanks again for the replies/advice. i guese digital audio is the same with $40 software as it is with $400 software ,provided the same sample rate is used. so the diference in price is because of workflow,effects,features,bells and whistles, and name. the only things limiting the quality of my work would be the lack of experience in mixing and,or recording techniques. also cheap mic oh yeah room treatments as well. thats something i will be reading more about
 
thanks again for the replies/advice. i guese digital audio is the same with $40 software as it is with $400 software ,provided the same sample rate is used. so the diference in price is because of workflow,effects,features,bells and whistles, and name. the only things limiting the quality of my work would be the lack of experience in mixing and,or recording techniques. also cheap mic oh yeah room treatments as well. thats something i will be reading more about


Pretty much.......


Keep in mind that once you get the hang of the $40 software, you may not care much for the $400 one............
 
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