I'm new to this. Please critique my mix!

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I really appreciate all the feedback guys. I'm gonna redo and post it here again in a few days.

Please do, but did the weight of many voices suddenly make what TheChikenMaster said at the start true for you?

Think you owe him an apology, he gave you some specific feedback, some encouragment and you took a swing anyway because you didn't like what he was saying, is how I read it.

Humility is a good tool when learning... just sayin';)

I'll look forward to hearing the next version.

A tip from me - play to a click for your base track (acoustic guitar) if you're trying to layer multiple instruments and voices and your timing isn't the best. That way you have one thing in time - and you can, if you want to, remove the click from then on to allow natural feel and looseness into it, or leave it on - it all depends upon your ability to keep in time without it.

Good luck:D
 
Please do, but did the weight of many voices suddenly make what TheChikenMaster said at the start true for you?

Think you owe him an apology, he gave you some specific feedback, some encouragment and you took a swing anyway because you didn't like what he was saying, is how I read it.

Cheers, and its interesting how I said what everyone else did, but in a few lines...
 
Yeah I see what he meant now. I guess I just needed to hear it from more than one person.
 
Yeah I see what he meant now. I guess I just needed to hear it from more than one person.

I'm not much on advice, but I can tell you that there is nothing better for your songwriting and recording skill development than putting your stuff out there for critical evaluation. It's too easy to get caught up in your own head when you write and record in a vacuum, and too easy to get divorced from reality. The ironic thing about it is there is an absolute concrete benchmark out there - pick the best work of any artist you love and stick your mixes in a playlist in the middle of it, sit back and listen. I'm not talking about aping the sound, or mimicing a style - but the quality of the songwriting, performance and recording. Listen to it. It's right there, staring us in the ears - but how many of us are just willfully blind? It's the ultimate cognitive dissonance - we know *exactly* what good is when we hear it, but it's incredibly hard to hear ourselves in light of the information. Dag, enough amature hour psychobabble from me.

You gotta keep working at it.
 
Yeah a lot of recording is finding out what you think sucks is actually not bad, and what you think is great actually sucks. It's hard to have an unbiased opinion of your own stuff, especially when you are the singer/songwriter/guitar player/drummer/producer/engineer/masterer...
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned or not but when you come to redoing it here something you might find helpful.

Instead of using a click that clicks 4 times every bar, double it, or quadruple it (depending on your tempo).

This can make it much easier to follow.
Even better than that is to throw down a generic midi drum beat that matches your strum pattern.
You can take it out again afterwards of course, but some people find a beat much easier to stick to.

Usually I'd keep the beat or fast click in the mix until all rhythm is down.

Hope that helps.
 
It's too easy to get caught up in your own head when you write and record in a vacuum...

Some good thoughts there, but I actually much prefer the vacuum, within which I am awesomeness incarnate.

...pick the best work of any artist you love and stick your mixes in a playlist in the middle of it, sit back and listen.

See, this scares me, but I probably should do that sometime...nah, back to the vacuum for me.

Btw - I agree with the points about adding more clicks per bar or using a drum machine or loop instead to play along with. That can help sometimes.
 
Some good thoughts there, but I actually much prefer the vacuum, within which I am awesomeness incarnate.

Take my comments in context (this thread). You have a better than solid grasp of the basics and the process, so you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want :-)
 
Nah, it's a good point though. I know I spend a lot of time tracking, mixing and playing back my own music. It's pretty easy to lose perspective that way.

Not saying this necessarily applies to the OP, but something to keep in mind in general.
 
Sound good to me. Very nice quiet, warm ambiance. No artifacts. Discrete effects on complimentary plucks
very subtle & well done. The quiet warmth of the room is still with me. Fine recording start to finish. ~ JD
 
I can agree with everyone here to a point but trust me - I have been playing all my life and have just started to understand the importance of nailing the performance first - it is undeniable how good a recording sounds if the performance itself is amazing . Learn your OWN type of formal training and find your own place .....it took all my life up till now but once you find it you will know it .

Take critiques with a grain of salt , in the end they are only other peoples thoughts and really as an artist it is ultimately up to you if you are happy with your creation.

Peace
Neil
The Little Studio
Canada

I totally agree with this. I am a songwriter and do all my own recording. I will keep doing take after take until I feel I have "nailed" each part, and I do full arrangements. No one is perfect, for sure, but I will always get as close as possible. Recording has been a trial and error experience for me..learning as I go, on my own. I am 6 years into home recording and still have boat loads to learn! Just keep trying and plugging away at it. When I listen to some of my very first recordings, the production can make me cringe..hehe. But now, years later, I am beginning to feel like I know what I'm doing, to a small degree..and I'm liking what I'm producing. Keep on truckin'!! :)
 
Keep trying. Pay more attention to the details (tuning, tone, timing) because where such things are soon forgotten in a live performance, they are there for everyone to hear in a recording. Having said that, the performance is the most important thing.
 
Hi Kerfoot32,

Let's see if we can critique this constructively and help you to improve your performance, presentation and professionalism, as these things will ultimately be what you rely on most often to produce the quality recording(s) you're looking for.

One of the most important things you need to do at this juncture is to learn and practice objective listening. It's so easy to sit back and listen to something you've just done while patting yourself on the back for doing a great job. But is it really such a great job?
The key thing is to put this away and not listen to it for a while. A couple of weeks, a month it's up to you. Then pull it out and play it. I can just about guarantee that after leaving it alone for a while, you will hear the inconsistencies the rest of us already picked up on. This isn't anything new to anyone who has laid down some tracks and then thought how good they were. But give it a rest for a while and then go back and listen, the mistakes you made will jump right out of the speakers and smack you up side the head.

Vocals:
Consistency is key whether you're singing, playing an instrument, or both at the same time. The vocal track appears to “move around” , and not in a good way. By move around, I mean the sound of the vocals changes from one line in the verse to the next. This is obviously because your position relative to the mic has changed. To hear this effect, speak or sing into a mic with no music playing and move around slightly from side to side and closer / further from the mic. Listen to the results. You will be able to hear the kind of “movement” or change I am referring to.
Maintaining distance and position from a vocal mic is paramount to ensure consistency in your vocals. It's even harder to achieve this if you're playing an instrument while singing. If that is how this was done, why not try recording the rhythm guitar by itself, then add the vocals in afterwards.
Another thing which can help, but is by no means a perfect solution is to use a compressor on the vocal mic. This can improve the differences between loud and soft sounds but be careful and don't over do it or become too dependent on the compressor. One thing the compressor cannot do though is to compensate for the change in sound when you move from on-axis to off-axis on the mic.

Concentrate on perfecting one thing at a time and each will improve, together they will improve dramatically.

Enunciations also have rough spots as well, for instance when you sing (while my roof caves in like a)“waterfall”, it actually sounds more like “waterfowl”. Sometimes muddying up a vocal can be an effective tool for expressing or conveying a particular feeling, however I don't think that was the intent in this case. Listen carefully to the rest of the vocals and you will quickly see where improvements can and should be made.

Timing:
When timing isn't consistent, it causes everything to be out of sync, including the listener, which dislikes being out of sync most of all. It also causes the listener frustration because the entire basis of music is timing. If the listener cannot grasp the rhythm and hold on to it tightly, then you just lost the listener.
The first noticeable occurrence comes very early on, pay particular attention to the timings between the rhythm guitar and the vocals. Some words begin in sync with the guitar strum and some begin before the guitar strum, unfortunately there seems to be no discernible pattern to this and if you planned on using this synced/syncopated vocals to rhythm guitar technique, there needs to be a pattern to it's use.
There are times when syncopation is used as an effective tool for creating a particular sound, but it, like anything else, needs to be administered in a preplanned, deliberate way. Again consistency is paramount. The use of syncopation has to be done in a way to convey that “little hiccup” to the listener while maintaining a perception of consistency for them to hold onto When it's used more or less hit and miss as has been done here, it simply leads to confusion on the part of the listener.
Listeners are very fickle people and most need to be led around by the rhythm, if the rhythm doesn't do that you will loose them very quickly.
Listeners also need to know what to expect before it happens. That's not to say that everything has to be in lock step every step of the way, it never hurts to throw the listener a curve ball once in a while, but even that must be done with some sort of consistency. For example if I were to sing the third line in the first verse somewhat syncopated in respect to the rhythm guitar, but all other lines in the verse were in perfect sync, then follow through in the second verse and sing that third line syncopated as well, because the listener having heard that happen in the first verse, is now expecting that to happen in the second verse and subsequent verses as well.
Once the timing hits a snag, it is very difficult to ever bring it back and maintain. Timing does become less of an issue when both the rhythm guitar and vocal tracks are in time with each other, but it becomes very obvious when both are inconsistent in their timing, and unfortunately that is what you have going on in this piece.
With practice and patience you can improve greatly on what you've done so far. The most difficult parts are past you. You've got the basic song structure, lyrics and composition down. Now what you need to do is polish this up and make it shine. Practice, Practice, Practice, and when you're tired of that, go back and do it again.

Planning and forethought along with practice are the things that will help you to improve on what you've already got going. You've made mistakes, but none that any of us haven't made as well. Learn from them and remember them, that will help to keep you from making them again.

I hope this helps, and be sure to post a link once you've got the shine on it.
 
Adding compression to the whole recording will definitely help, as will the high-pass filter. I would also add a bit of chorus to the rhythm guitar, delay to the lead guitar and a hint of reverb to the vocal.
I wouldn't worry about the tempo variation for the time being. If you ever want to add drums, tho, you will need to start over and re-record everything to the drum track. I would also suggest recording the vocal tracks separately from everything else. Otherwise, you have a good start!
 
I really appreciate all the responses guys. Some of you really went out of your way to help me. I'm really blown away by the community here.
I am working hard to redo the song with all of your advice. I'll post it in this thread when it's done so you can tear it apart again lol. It should be up Friday night.

Btw, the vocals were done separate. I guess I just moved around in front of the mic a lot. Is there a good distance to stand from it or should I pretty much have my mouth up against the pop filter?
 
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