if you couldn't afford a SM57...

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88fingers said:
I can never find SM57s on eBay for less than new prices (around 70-80). And I look just about every day. Next time you see one that's about to go for 50, let me know...

hmm. interesting. one day i decided to puchase three SM57's, and without any kind of wait or anything, bought three used ones for $50. and if memory serves, it seems like they were plentiful on ebay. maybe not. keep looking; the deals exist.

justin
 
I bought a Rode NT-1a on ebay a few weeks ago and it came with 3 Superlux ECO-88 mics. I just stashed them in a closet, but it came time to record my amp and I realized my friend still had my shures. I tested them out and they performed beautifully. I think they cost about $10-15 each.
 
i didn't say that you "ought not record", but what i DID say is that "you might want to reevaluate what you're recording and why." some things are just simply *fundamental* to getting a good recording. using a "decent" mic is one of those things. yes, you can sometimes get surprising results with el-cheapo mics, but i would wager that those times are fewer than they are frequent. to paraphrase Fletcher: it's not the gear that makes the recording good.....but good gear certainly makes getting a good recording a LOT easier.

if you want to use a $15 radio shack mic to record, go right ahead. but what i'm saying is don't then complain that it doesn't sound like the latest Matchbox 20 cd or when you're getting crappy results out of it. of course, a shitty engineer can have a box full of U47s and get shitty results from them, too.

used SM57s, Senn e835s, EV635s, etc., are VERY abundant at the $40-50 range. I didn't pay more than $40 for either of my 835s, and under $45 for each of my 3 shure 545s. so yes, they're definitely out there.

ebay is but one of the myriad places to shop. look around at all kinds of used music places. check pawn shops, old studios, your local music venues, old soundmen, estate auctions, etc., etc. above all, be patient. you'll find the deals--as long as your money's not burning a hole in your pocket.


cheers,
wade

edit: PS, check out the caption under the Mic Forum if you need a refresher.....think this was put in for a reason? :D:
"Which mic should I buy, why can't I buy it at Radio Shack, and which way do I point it?"
 
sathyan said:
if you couldn't afford an SM57, what microphone would you buy?

(yes, I realize the quality will be lower)



I'm confused...isn't it worth it to spend about $30 or so more for something in order to get better quality.....

That being said, I have used the Sennheiser e603 knockoff, that Radio Shack 33-3302 (that some claim is the same exact mic ......)

I paid $15 dollars for it when they cleared them out.....I use it at times in place of a 57 on snare, but the placement has to be exact for it to be at all usable....you have to point it across the drum head, not at it, and pull it back far enough to pick up some of the snare buzz from the bottom head......

despite it all, I would probably never use that mic for any kind of professional recording that I would expect someone to listen to more than twice.....
 
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captainkey said:
I'm confused...isn't it worth it to spend about $30 or so more for something in order to get better quality.....

That being said, I have used the Sennheiser e603 knockoff, that Radio Shack 33-3302 (that some claim is the same exact mic ......)

I paid $15 dollars for it when they cleared them out.....I use it at times in place of a 57 on snare, but the placement has to be exact for it to be at all usable....you have to point it across the drum head, not at it, and pull it back far enough to pick up some of the snare buzz from the bottom head......

despite it all, I would probably never use that mic for any kind of professional recording that I would expect someone to listen to more than twice.....


Yeah, that thing sucks. Sounds like it has a piece of cotton in front of the diapragm. I have the real 603's, and they are way better.
 
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captainkey said:
I'm confused...isn't it worth it to spend about $30 or so more for something in order to get better quality.....


everyone runs on a different economy. if NOT having a mic is preventing you from recording, or learning about recording, or keeping you back creatively in some way, and you DONT have an extra $30- then the sacrifice in quality for the money saved is worth it.

especially when you consider how many totally nice usable mics there are in the $40-$50 range.

also, if you listen to his music, it is pretty experimental. i would say that interesting sounds are more important to him than high fidelity.
 
I'd like to thank all of you for your suggestions. I will looked into them.

The parts I plan to mic with this dynamic are musically less important than others so I'm trying to save some money here. $50 would be fine.


Most of my posted recordings were made on a Nady SP5 (dynamic). I recently added a Studio Projects B1 (condenser)
The rest of my recording chain is:
Microphone Preamp: Behringer MIC100
Mixer: Yamaha MG10/2
Sound cards:
1. Turtle Beach Santa Cruz to desktop
2. Creative Labs Audigy2 NX to laptop

The MIC100 is also a limiter. I don't have compressors on any other processing devices in the analog domain.


As far as distortion - I'm having a problem with my B1. Its too sensitive. Even with 20dB muting turned on and Gain at 2 out of 30.
 
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eeldip said:
everyone runs on a different economy. if NOT having a mic is preventing you from recording, or learning about recording, or keeping you back creatively in some way, and you DONT have an extra $30- then the sacrifice in quality for the money saved is worth it.

especially when you consider how many totally nice usable mics there are in the $40-$50 range.

also, if you listen to his music, it is pretty experimental. i would say that interesting sounds are more important to him than high fidelity.

If interesting sounds are the goal, then just get a 1982 Panasonic mono cassette recorder with a built-in mic for .50 from a garage sale and record your dog barking...or water running...or a crazy person rambling...(come to my house and I'll help you out)...

I would question also whether most mics in the $40-50 range range are usable, by the way.....

Again, I'm not following the logic.....if you are learning to record on el cheapo bargain basement gear, you are basically trying to learn in spite of the gear....

I don't have the state of the art stuff either, but I've learned that I wasted unnecessary hours trying to record something on bargain basement stuff....you end up fighting it...

its like the time way back when I was but a lad and took my rusted Chevy Nova with the leaky power steering pump, radiator hoses and practically non functioning alternator to the DMV to take my drivers license test road test with smoke pouring out of the hood and the car dying out every 5 minutes....

I guess I thought it didn't matter, it was a car, right???
 
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<<especially when you consider how many totally nice usable mics there are in the $40-$50 range.>>


of which are the aforementioned sm57, shure 545, EV635, senn 835, etc. :D

i guess i'm confused too. :D


wade
 
mate i would drop the behringer altogether straight off. the yamaha is fine on its own and is prob being limited by your extra pre. for a workhorse dynamic i would state again to find an e835. but really ... your next point of upgrade is your souncard. sorry.
 
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captainkey said:
its like the time way back when I was but a lad and took my rusted Chevy Nova with the leaky power steering pump, radiator hoses and practically non functioning alternator to the DMV to take my drivers license test road test with smoke pouring out of the hood and the car dying out every 5 minutes....

I guess I thought it didn't matter, it was a car, right???

perfect analogy. if you had the choice of

1: no car, no test, no license (waiting till you can afford a nice car)
2: absolute cheapest car possible, a test, and a chance at a license

what would you do?

personally, i would pick 2. i would try to find the best thing i could. i would get out on the road.
 
Humm, I don't know... what color is the cheapest car? J/K lol. :D I'd pick #2.
 
if i couldnt afford a 57 id go to e-bay,type "microphone" in the search box than sort all million mics out by selecting "lowest price listed first" than go nuts.
 
dude... radio shack... $10 ... what do you have to lose???

it was my best gear purchase ever. better than a free SM58 or a $40 MXL 1006.

lol i'm going to get flamed... but i'm serious!
 
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eeldip said:
perfect analogy. if you had the choice of

1: no car, no test, no license (waiting till you can afford a nice car)
2: absolute cheapest car possible, a test, and a chance at a license

what would you do?

personally, i would pick 2. i would try to find the best thing i could. i would get out on the road.

Unfortunately, #2 was never available to me....I never got a chance to buckle my seat belt....they ran my behind out of there, threatened to ticket my unsafe vehicle, and told me to come back with a decent car...I came back with my Dad's car and got my license.....

If I would have originally just gone with my Dad's car instead of being a complete dumbass and bringing that piece of crap bucket of bolts, I would have eliminated much aggravation and grief and had my license two weeks earlier.....

the point is, halfway decent gear is pretty affordable these days...to talk about recording with a $25 mic makes no sense to me...
 
"your next point of upgrade is your souncard"



What would you recommend?

I record one (stereo) track at a time and mix in Cool Edit Pro.


My USB2.0 sound card has optical in. Would I be better served with an outboard A/D upgrade?


I get distortion when recording but not when transferring LPs. Using the same sound card (TBSC) through line in.
 
keerus said:
hmm. interesting. one day i decided to puchase three SM57's, and without any kind of wait or anything, bought three used ones for $50. and if memory serves, it seems like they were plentiful on ebay. maybe not. keep looking; the deals exist.

justin

Look at these on ebay currently:

http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?basicsearch=&from=R10&ht=1&satitle=sm57&sosortproperty=1

All of them that are about to end are going for well over $50, some even are going for "new" prices. Anyone want to sell me 2 SM57's for $100? :)
 
the point is, halfway decent gear is pretty affordable these days...to talk about recording with a $25 mic makes no sense to me...


If you only have $75 -- remember, most of us were there once -- and want to get started, then it makes perfect sense to me. When I was 17, poor, and curious, my buddy and I bought a mixer and mics at R.Shack and had a rollicking good time. It didn't sound good, but we learned some simple (I stress simple) techniques.

"Pretty affordable" is relevant. If you can afford more, great. If you can't, but still want to get started, get what you can for your budget, have fun (I stress 'fun') and just learn from the experience. Why wait a year until you can afford more? Life is short.

I'll tell you, that and many other "cheap" experiences taught me a lot, especially about humility. When I hear people talking about inexpensive setups, I smile, not out of dismay, but because I was there once, and those afternoons messing around on the R.S. stuff were some of my fondest memories. Just do it, and have fun.

G
 
OK here's a little secret...

Get the EV PL5.
Same as the 635a and goes for very cheap on e-bay.

Want to hear how it sounds on percussion-listen to some Motown records, especially tambourine.

If and when you get a better pre, it can outperform
any Neumann on vocals for some singers.
Same goes for SM57 and Shure 545.

The 545 was used for Brian Wilson's vocals on
"Pet Sounds" BTW.

Chris

P.S. Now nobody on this thread snipe him at e-bay!
 
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