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OrangeGangster
Banned
I Might be wrong but...
This forum is almost turning into a Monastery...:
This forum is almost turning into a Monastery...:
zip
New member
yes...
..it is...
...and on the seventh day God created Sonusman...
THEN he rested.
..it is...
...and on the seventh day God created Sonusman...
THEN he rested.
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atomictoyz
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In my humble opinion, as Im thinking Eddie might agree. Engineers come in many flavors, many with different ideas on how things should be done.
I would recommend down loading this file and keeping it on hand, read it...try it the methods out and see if it gives you better results. But also download other ideas posted here and try them. I know VOXVENDOR has his ideas and I have mine and so does everyone here. We all need to start using somebody elses experience at some point, and we grow as engineers as we assimilate other ideas and mold them into our own. Not every genre uses the same techniques, learn from everyone who has to offer something. I would say Eddie's contributions here should be considered a chapter in your bible, adding others along the way as you learn through trial, error and experimentation. I heard a saying once that goes like this... No one person is as smart as all of us, but all of us together...
Ive seen several engineers working the same project almost become as one in trying to achieve...Perfection.
Peace,
Dennis
I would recommend down loading this file and keeping it on hand, read it...try it the methods out and see if it gives you better results. But also download other ideas posted here and try them. I know VOXVENDOR has his ideas and I have mine and so does everyone here. We all need to start using somebody elses experience at some point, and we grow as engineers as we assimilate other ideas and mold them into our own. Not every genre uses the same techniques, learn from everyone who has to offer something. I would say Eddie's contributions here should be considered a chapter in your bible, adding others along the way as you learn through trial, error and experimentation. I heard a saying once that goes like this... No one person is as smart as all of us, but all of us together...
Ive seen several engineers working the same project almost become as one in trying to achieve...Perfection.
Peace,
Dennis
zip
New member
Nicely put Dennis... 
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vactastic
New member
Ed, Ed, are you OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Mother, thank you Ed for putting yourself out like that to type and type away. You are a man among men and I salute you.
jason
Holy Mother, thank you Ed for putting yourself out like that to type and type away. You are a man among men and I salute you.
jason
dobro
Well-known member
"this thread seems to have been sent by God."
Well, that's been Ed's feeling all along...
I read the meaty bits at the beginning when this thread was new, and although I knew what I was reading important, I didn't really understand it. Now I know it's what I need to know. Copy and print...
Well, that's been Ed's feeling all along...
I read the meaty bits at the beginning when this thread was new, and although I knew what I was reading important, I didn't really understand it. Now I know it's what I need to know. Copy and print...
ausrock
Well-known member
Praise The Ed. Next thing we know there will be The Ed's Prayer
BTW.........nudge, bumpity bump.
BTW.........nudge, bumpity bump.
dobro
Well-known member
Our Sonus
Whose Art is heaven
Allow us thy gain
I'm still so dumb
My mixes hum
Not worth more than six or seven
Help us escape a mix that's dead
And give us the best facts that
Free up the lows, a high pass, the best buss
For thy mix will come
And when it is done
lt's worth
Way more than eleven
I'm never as clever
Amen
Whose Art is heaven
Allow us thy gain
I'm still so dumb
My mixes hum
Not worth more than six or seven
Help us escape a mix that's dead
And give us the best facts that
Free up the lows, a high pass, the best buss
For thy mix will come
And when it is done
lt's worth
Way more than eleven
I'm never as clever
Amen
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zip
New member
LOL!!!
Dobro...
I'm ROTFLMAO !!!
Man that's good....thanks for the good laugh! A great way to start my day.
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Dobro...
I'm ROTFLMAO !!!
Man that's good....thanks for the good laugh! A great way to start my day.
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VOXVENDOR
New member
Oh sure.. bring religion into it...
Sheesh.....
Sheesh.....
zip
New member
As Vox levitates toward the right hand...
...of Sonusman...
- they realize each is not so bad - so they kiss, make up and are no loger mad....
...of Sonusman...
- they realize each is not so bad - so they kiss, make up and are no loger mad....
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sonnylarsen
New member
Sonus, Sonus, we adore thee
master of mastering, Lord of the mix
vu-meters bloom like flowers before thee
teach us all we need to fix
melt the clouds of din and loudness
drive the dark of over-compression away
giver of immortal eq's
give us mixes clear as day!
Aaaaaaaaaa---men.
master of mastering, Lord of the mix
vu-meters bloom like flowers before thee
teach us all we need to fix
melt the clouds of din and loudness
drive the dark of over-compression away
giver of immortal eq's
give us mixes clear as day!
Aaaaaaaaaa---men.
Guernica
Active member
more............gimme more
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sonnylarsen
New member
I said, "Aaaaaaaaaa-men!" Dammit!
zip
New member
May the Sonus be with you...
...and also with you...
Aaaaaaaaaa men!
...and also with you...
Aaaaaaaaaa men!
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fenix
New member
sonusman, a lot of people would not agree with the amount of compression you recommend (3db at 2:1 or less ratio).
Ever heard of a guy by the name of Tom Lord-Alge? You should, he's one (and his brother, chris) of the most demanded rock (and pop) mixing engineer. He's done Weezer, Blink182, Sara McLaughlin, and countless others.
Anyway my point is this: Tom makes good use of his compressors and often puts as much as 20 db of compression on the vocals. Now obviously we're talking about Class A gear here, but the home enthusiast can get the same effect by using <14 db of compression at a low ratio on say, the dbx 160A because Class A gear is very transparent even at those high decibals. He puts this much compression on the vox not because the dynamics are out of control, but because of the sound it creates. The point is, 3db of compression is extremely soft, even for shitty alesis compressors and would not make that much of a difference especially with a dynamic source.
And about squashing mixes in mastering: there's only a handful of people that can do extreme squashing (making the cd loud) and keep it sounding good and transparent. I have to say that Bob Ludwig is not very good at squashing mixes--actually I dislike most of his mastering because there seems to be a high end roll-off.
"take off your pants and jacket" by Blink 182: although fairly retarded music, you have to be amazed by the mixing and mastering. This is a fine example where tom lord-alge uses 20db of compression on vox and the mastering is finely done--squashed to hell, but still retains it's sonic value.
Ever heard of a guy by the name of Tom Lord-Alge? You should, he's one (and his brother, chris) of the most demanded rock (and pop) mixing engineer. He's done Weezer, Blink182, Sara McLaughlin, and countless others.
Anyway my point is this: Tom makes good use of his compressors and often puts as much as 20 db of compression on the vocals. Now obviously we're talking about Class A gear here, but the home enthusiast can get the same effect by using <14 db of compression at a low ratio on say, the dbx 160A because Class A gear is very transparent even at those high decibals. He puts this much compression on the vox not because the dynamics are out of control, but because of the sound it creates. The point is, 3db of compression is extremely soft, even for shitty alesis compressors and would not make that much of a difference especially with a dynamic source.
And about squashing mixes in mastering: there's only a handful of people that can do extreme squashing (making the cd loud) and keep it sounding good and transparent. I have to say that Bob Ludwig is not very good at squashing mixes--actually I dislike most of his mastering because there seems to be a high end roll-off.
"take off your pants and jacket" by Blink 182: although fairly retarded music, you have to be amazed by the mixing and mastering. This is a fine example where tom lord-alge uses 20db of compression on vox and the mastering is finely done--squashed to hell, but still retains it's sonic value.
zip
New member
uh oh...
...here we go again....
...here we go again....
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
right... Fenix, let me get this straight...
you read the WHOLE thread and THEN disagree with ED, the man who was just voted "most likely to become a god" by the homerec crew... Now that's courageous....
But then you go and say that overcompressed BLINK182 music is better...
you're going down fast my friend...
Flame on!
Guhlenn
you read the WHOLE thread and THEN disagree with ED, the man who was just voted "most likely to become a god" by the homerec crew... Now that's courageous....
But then you go and say that overcompressed BLINK182 music is better...
you're going down fast my friend...Flame on!
Guhlenn
dobro
Well-known member
Fenix, although what you say about compression and pro engineers is okay, I think you missed the whole point of this thread. Ed put together a useful 'beginners' kit' to help homers avoid the main problems that he (Ed) was hearing at the time with the mixes that were going up in the mp3 clinic here.
And somewhere in his lengthy posts, he says (agreeing with someone else's comment), that rules are made to be broken, that the ultimate criterion is what it sounds like, and basically, that there's more than one way to skin a cat in the mix. (Which leaves room for you and your opinion, if you think about it.)
He wasn't saying his advice was the only way or the best way. He was saying that it's very useful and easy-to-understand information for people who don't know much about mixing.
And he's right.
And somewhere in his lengthy posts, he says (agreeing with someone else's comment), that rules are made to be broken, that the ultimate criterion is what it sounds like, and basically, that there's more than one way to skin a cat in the mix. (Which leaves room for you and your opinion, if you think about it.)
He wasn't saying his advice was the only way or the best way. He was saying that it's very useful and easy-to-understand information for people who don't know much about mixing.
And he's right.
zip
New member
Huh???
"And about squashing mixes in mastering: there's only a handful of people that can do extreme squashing (making the cd loud) and keep it sounding good and transparent. "
Completely disagree man. There are MANY mastering engineers who can do this both effectively, cleanly and transparently...
...IF the music style justifies or requires it.
Part of the point Ed was trying to make (I believe) is that musicians feel they MUST squash everything and maximize volume. A good mastering engineer will know when / and when it is not appropriate.
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"And about squashing mixes in mastering: there's only a handful of people that can do extreme squashing (making the cd loud) and keep it sounding good and transparent. "
Completely disagree man. There are MANY mastering engineers who can do this both effectively, cleanly and transparently...
...IF the music style justifies or requires it.
Part of the point Ed was trying to make (I believe) is that musicians feel they MUST squash everything and maximize volume. A good mastering engineer will know when / and when it is not appropriate.
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