I want louder drums but they clip. What to do?

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Red Mastering said:
10 people standing around,
everyone shouts,
who's the loudest?
I would advice you to google gain staging - it will be eye opener
I learn so much from it, was incorrect about so important thing
here :
The Reason Most ITB mixes don
over 100 posts...I know - but this subject (gain staging is very important for anyone involved in sound engineering)
it's a lot of info and it will make your mixes/productions sounds at least 1level up !
you need to learn it, and know it - simply as that
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Yes, gain staging is important. But it's not that relevant in this conversation. You can have perfect gain staging all the way to your mixer/DAW and still have a mix that doesn't allow you to turn anything up without clipping because you have your faders up too high.

The answer to the original question by the OP is still: Turn everything down.
 
RAMI said:
Yes, you should be worrying about the mix and balance of all the tracks. That's what mixing IS, to a great extent. I'm talking about overall volume. It doesn't matter how low the overall mix is during the mixing stage.
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I misunderstood your last post. Sorry about that.
 
RAMI said:
Yes, gain staging is important. But it's not that relevant in this conversation. You can have perfect gain staging all the way to your mixer/DAW and still have a mix that doesn't allow you to turn anything up without clipping because you have your faders up too high.

The answer to the original question by the OP is still: Turn everything down.
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gain staging doesn't ends or starts with recording - mixing within a daw with proper understanding of idea is very important,
turn everything down - is simplified and good idea (all channels and faders) -although it actually doesn't matter if you work wit 32 bit floating, you can have clipping internal on channel, and if master buss is not clipping - there's no problem,
if you also don't use any hardware on inserts or sends
 
Red Mastering said:
if you work wit 32 bit floating, you can have clipping internal on channel,
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That's ridiculous.
if master buss is not clipping - there's no problem,
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But in the OP's original question, he IS talking about the master buss clipping.

So, once again, no matter how much some people are trying to complicate this, the answer still is: Turn everything down. :rolleyes:
 
Dogbreath said:
:laughings:

kooky, innit?

:laughings:
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Kooky monster :D

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RAMI said:
You're comparing your un-mastered mix to mastered mixes. Apples and oranges. The mixing stage is not the stage where you should be worrying about volume. That happens after you're happy with your mix and take it to the "mastering" level.
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Exactly Rami. :)
As long as your separate tracks are at the "right" level compared to each other then the overall volume should not be an issue until Mastering. That being said, its good practice to keep your output volume (not your monitor volume) so you have some headroom.

G
 
Red Mastering said:
it actually doesn't matter if you work wit 32 bit floating, you can have clipping internal on channel, and if master buss is not clipping - there's no problem,
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Well I don't want to get anything Mastered by Red Mastering now!! :)
Clipping on channels is not nice. Clipping can be used as a technique on the Master bus at Mastering but I tend not to use this method as it creates distortion more so than a brick wall limiter.

G
 
phriq said:
Kooky monster :D

CookieMonster-Sitting.jpg
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Careful there.
THE monstertr people (miss spelled on purpose- looks over sholder..) don't like it thier name thrown around.
( when they come around it won't be fun little furry guys..
 
mixsit said:
Careful there.
THE monstertr people (miss spelled on purpose- looks over sholder..) don't like it thier name thrown around.
( when they come around it won't be fun little furry guys..
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Nnnn... nn.. NNN.. NOOOOO!!!!

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ecktronic said:
Well I don't want to get anything Mastered by Red Mastering now!! :)
Clipping on channels is not nice. Clipping can be used as a technique on the Master bus at Mastering but I tend not to use this method as it creates distortion more so than a brick wall limiter.

G
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I believe Red is right. Overs aren't clipped in floating point. Only the final level on the master bus matters and only when resolved to fixed point.
 
ecktronic said:
Well I don't want to get anything Mastered by Red Mastering now!! :)
Clipping on channels is not nice. Clipping can be used as a technique on the Master bus at Mastering but I tend not to use this method as it creates distortion more so than a brick wall limiter.

G
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certainly you don't as you provide mastering services yourself,
and as mastering guy you should now the basics, 32bit float doesn't clip - it's sort of basic knowledge and you
should know it very well considering you provide engineering services to other people;
I advise you to learn when digital clipping occurs in daw,
it help a lot when you mix or master to have some knowledge how the things works.....
 
Simple.. Only compress until it's how you want it to sound, not until it's how loud you want it, then turn everything else down so the mix is right. The mastering engineer will bring it up to volume in a nice way, there's no need to get the volume up yourself.
 
Red Mastering said:
you are incorrect on this, with 32bit float you can not clip internaly,
Digital clipping in 32 bit float point based DAWS - Gearslutz.com
or just google it
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I'm not wrong. I said "that's ridiculous". I didn't say you can clip in 32 bit or not. But whether you can clip in 32 bit or not has nothing to do with the OP. First of all, it's not good practice to overload your tracks for a million reasons. Second of all, the OP said his master bus is clipping. He needs to simply......wait for it......turn everything down. It's a simple question with a simple answer. Jesus. :rolleyes:
 
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