I think my best yet

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heatmiser said:
Ha! I was going to write something very similar to Greg as I agree with him completely on this. You didn't really bite, but since you are by default the point person for electronic music on this forum, you're stuck with it.

To the average listener, there is a noticeable difference between punk and prog...yet I don't think there are discernable differences between most of the various electronic genres to even those who are musically inclined. I submit that electronic genres and sub-genres are for the most part contrived and arbitrary. So there. :p

Anyway, this sounds good to me Keith. Nothing jumps out as being out of place or anything and I think you've done another fine job production wise. This has a full, wide sound to it, and while I prefer some of your stuff that has more pronounced variation, there is some subtle stuff going on here that is pretty cool. :)
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Absolutely not...to the untrained ear rock can sound pretty generic and similar (god knows how many sub genres metal has) Im lucky enough to be a big fan so I can tell the difference but I know some guys that would struggle to discern between new wave, punk, grunge..yet they are different..its the same with electro..lets stick with the ones I mentioned

trance is generally around the 135 bpm mark, uses lots of pads, reverb, delay with either an arp, pluck or big detuned saw as its lead, think JP-8080 and TR-909's...it derives from house and rave music and you dance to the beat

drum and base is around the 175bpm mark...doesnt use pads and is far drier in terms of reverbs or delays..the drums are actually weaker and more often than not come from the 808..there is generally a breakbeat loop (amen break) played over the main drums and it uses samples...it derives from techno and hip hop and you dance to the bassline

god forbid you ever hear a reese bass in a trance track...the world would end!!

I know that doesnt sound like it would make much difference but if its the music you listen to its pretty easy to spot and not contrived.... if you argue with my perfect logic the neighbours dog is going to get it :mad:


though looking at this fucking list I can see why you think it is...lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_music_genres

I reckon there are four main types of electronic music, maybe the rest is nonsense ;)

Thanks for listening dude..Im trying to make things more involving..and while I did use a choir again (I cant stop) I hope the use of a vibraslap earns me extra points :D
 
PoeticIntensity said:
Holy COW. You ain't kidding! The new version isn't the same song at all. This thing rocks! Seriously... All flaws I mentioned are now gone (that "snare" you added couldn't have been more creative, nor perfect for this tune... Just - wow... good stuff), and you've added boatloads, too... Daaaang. Love it.

In other news, I just ordered my Korg Radias. I cannot wait. No doubt, I'll be asking you *all* sorts of questions about music creation in this genre. Gonna be a fun trip.

Rockin' song, my man. Ultra-kudos. Gonna be listening to this the rest of the day.
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thanks Jason!...yeah you were spot on with your comments and it took a drunken hour to clean it all up...rooky mistakes when EQing hid most of the tune and it really opened up...so thanks to you for not being someone who'll just say "nice tune" when its a mate and the mix most certainly isnt nice :D

luckily I fixed it before anyone else listened

next tune will not be mixed with beer...it only worked once lol

Cant wait to hear your thoughts on the Korg...we'll decide soon if we are going to stay in the states soon and that means a house and that means some new equipment...so great you'll be actively reviewing this ;)
 
I must admit to feeling ripped off having not heard the pre PI intervention version.
Now, I shan't go on as I listening - this is prog on a drum loop sans guitars.
The intro outro simplicity work really well.
I listened & am listening again.
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kcearl said:
trance is generally around the 135 bpm mark, uses lots of pads, reverb, delay with either an arp, pluck or big detuned saw as its lead, think JP-8080 and TR-909's...it derives from house and rave music and you dance to the beat

drum and base is around the 175bpm mark...doesnt use pads and is far drier in terms of reverbs or delays..the drums are actually weaker and more often than not come from the 808..there is generally a breakbeat loop (amen break) played over the main drums and it uses samples...it derives from techno and hip hop and you dance to the bassline
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actually Pete after reading my post I think you may be right...it is all contrived nonsense :laughings:


"one you dance to the beat, one you dance to the bassline" :laughings:

Im a twat, Im going to shoot myself :D
 
rayc said:
I must admit to feeling ripped off having not heard the pre PI intervention version.
Now, I shan't go on as I listening - this is prog on a drum loop sans guitars.
The intro outro simplicity work really well.
I listened & am listening again.
No glow stick? Try our new glow sick!
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it was muddier than a mud pie in a mud wrestle against the British Glam rock* group Mud!


Anyhoo glow teeth are the new thing Ray..keep up..Ive had mine done in green suede..need I say sexy? :D




*the is no discernible difference between glam rock and skate punk :p
 
Ok, ok...I'll have to trust you on the specifics there. I believe there are differences that an avid fan can detect, but I still say if you took someone's grandma, who'd never heard "modern" music before, and you played some ELP, Yes, king crimson, whatever...and then played some sex pistols and dead kennedys, they would definitely hear a huge difference.

If you played that same person some trance and then some D&B, they would likely say they sound more or less the same...because they do. :)
 
heatmiser said:
Ok, ok...I'll have to trust you on the specifics there. I believe there are differences that an avid fan can detect, but I still say if you took someone's grandma, who'd never "modern" music before, and you played some ELP, Yes, king crimson, whatever...and then played some sex pistols and dead kennedys, they would definitely hear a huge difference.

If you played that same person some trance and then some D&B, they would likely say they sound more or less the same...because they do. :)
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dammit Pete...I warned you! :mad:


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thanks man....video was a bit of a shambles..Im going to have to get some video software, its pretty fun making one though :)
 
Mud, hmm, they did Chin & Chapman tunes didn't they? Didn't every other manufactured Glam band (Mind mud didn't look or sound Glam to me).
Fortunately Mud didn't sell downunder. But for that saving grace we had to pay: Racey had 1/2 doz #1s here - ouch!
 
Sounds beautiful. I think Joey nailed it for me when he said it sounds 3 dimensional (or something like that), because that's what it seems like to me and that's a good thing. No mix nits at all, everything seems just right in relation to everything else...very nice!

Thanks for defining the sub-genres too, I would've never guessed that it would come down to bpm, etc - interesting stuff...

Best Regards,

Dave DeWhitt
SoundClick artist: Dave DeWhitt - page with MP3 music downloads
 
rayc said:
Mud, hmm, they did Chin & Chapman tunes didn't they? Didn't every other manufactured Glam band (Mind mud didn't look or sound Glam to me).
Fortunately Mud didn't sell downunder. But for that saving grace we had to pay: Racey had 1/2 doz #1s here - ouch!
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yeah they werent very glam were they, more fifties throwback music that was around throughout that period of the 70's..Racey were awful werent they, Weston-super-Mares finest lol

dewhitt said:
Sounds beautiful. I think Joey nailed it for me when he said it sounds 3 dimensional (or something like that), because that's what it seems like to me and that's a good thing. No mix nits at all, everything seems just right in relation to everything else...very nice!

Thanks for defining the sub-genres too, I would've never guessed that it would come down to bpm, etc - interesting stuff...

Best Regards,

Dave DeWhitt
SoundClick artist: Dave DeWhitt - page with MP3 music downloads
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thanks Dave...you get loads of depth with this kinda stuff because of the carte blanche reverb and delay...i doubt youd get away with it on anything else....I dunno if my description is totally accurate..Im an old man making dance music the way he remembered it, nowadays im sure its euphoric old skool trance progressive house fusion because its 140bpm and not 135bpm..i think heat maybe be right calling it contrived nonsense ;)
 
I'm not real into this kind of stuff as you know, but it sounds great dude. I wouldn't be able to tell it's not a professional techno song at the club or on the radio :P
 
cheers Phil.....we'll make a techno headed fag infested trucker outta you yet bro ;)
 
Hey Keith, I actually do think this is your best ever, well, except of the "f-rock' bit, that was classic!! :) It was just really pleasant to listen to and I didn't nod off or get thrown into an epileptic seizure either...:eek:so that was a nice change :D;).

Hey, I failed theory in college, so I can't describe what I think I'm hearing, but is there some kinda a strange timing thing going on with that first melodic pulse? I don't know, I keep thinking it's like 3/4 jammed into 4/4 or something. A roll of socks jammed into my spandex...? ...something that makes one go hmmmmm :confused:

:D;):cool:
 
cheers Brad....im not sure what the pulse is but if its the pluck at the beginning, its slightly off time, which might make the pad in the back seem off...its actually the pluck...you can hear it more obviously off beat in the breakdown when the baseline comes in...dunno why I did it, probably the same reason I do it with the hats sometimes...I like it being slightly off

glad you like the mix...i was drunk when I posted or I would have tried to be a bit more modest but I do think its my best mix...when I a/b against some other commercial tracks it really holds its own..Im pretty pleased with the results


which brings me to my new guitar and a stone roses cover ive been trying to do...strangely the guitar is off everywhere and im not doing it deliberately lol... its like a 7/8 trapped in a 4/4's body with the mind of a 3/4....I failed theory too :D
 
kcearl said:
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which brings me to my new guitar and a stone roses cover ive been trying to do...strangely the guitar is off everywhere and im not doing it deliberately lol... its like a 7/8 trapped in a 4/4's body with the mind of a 3/4....I failed theory too :D
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lol...well...yes...that's kinda what I heard :D But it was not a pluck in the beginning, it was the main melodic riff that carries through the first 30 sec + of the song. Idk, I cud be high.:)
if you need help with some guitar, just let me know. I don't want anybody getting hurt now. ;)

:D:cool:
 
maximusbs said:
lol...well...yes...that's kinda what I heard :D But it was not a pluck in the beginning, it was the main melodic riff that carries through the first 30 sec + of the song. Idk, I cud be high.:)
if you need help with some guitar, just let me know. I don't want anybody getting hurt now. ;)

:D:cool:
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you're high...dont call me again..evah! :mad:


no Ive got to learn to destroy my own guitar parts at some point...Im trying not to record at the moment so I can practise and Ive been asked to play at a christmas party as well, just me and another guy, with two guitars, doing van morrison covers etc...talk about out my comfort zone..actually this could be my version of hell! :D
 
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