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When I record vocals the beat is still in the background..


Its not the headphones.. its like its putting every track on the same track with the vocals.. Can someone help me

Im using Sonar,M-Audio Audiophile, and the Phonic 1002a Compact Mixer..
 
if you are using windows, open the windows sound mixer and mute the "what u hear" selection. That may be your problem.
 
I think the M-Audio Audiophile took that option away.. any other thing i could try.
 
The Audiophile does not leack into other tracks.

Why are you so sure it's not your headphones?
 
You're not recording from the M-Audio monitor mixer are you?
 
This might be to 101ish but nonetheless, most problems I've encountered had a 101ish solution to them so here it goes. Take a few steps back and go and insert a new audio track where you want to record your vocal track. Now, go ahead and select the input from the drop down menu inside the track and make sure that the only thing that is coming through this input is the signal from the microphone you chose to record you vocal track with. Now, try recording an empty take on this track... don't sing into the mic and don't have the mic near your monitoring system (be it nearfields or headphones)... if you can't get it far enough to where it won't pick up the music that's already recorded in other tracks, try lowering the output level of the playback. Now, listen to the blank track in SOLO mode... is anything leaking into it?!! IT shouldn't.

Carlos
 
Its not the headphones because I had the headphones low/mute, and it still leaked... I just figured out my input was the same as my output but dont know how to change it

Also have another problem, When I speak on the microphone I can hear it through the speakers, but I cant play anymusic now, it wont play through the speakers/monitors.
 
I know that this is a silly question....

Are you recording vocals with the monitors on and listening to the headphones at the same time?

Porter
 
no no no ....

it is your signal routing. Describe how your mic is attached to your computer.

actually describe your audio path:

mic connects to _____ which connects to ____ using main outs/Aux sends/whatever, ----connects to teh Audiophile Ins, then the outs connect to what?

Don't just name the device, name the outputs / routing path you are following. Whatever you are doing, you have your outputs from teh soundcard going back to the inputs because you have wired it to do just that (unintentionally). It is how you have hooked up your mixer that is the problem.

The toe bone's connected to the foot bone , the foot bone's connected the ankle bone.......
 
got it: it is totally your mixer. Let me guess, you are recording into the mixer, and have either the main outs or the control room outs connected to the AP2496 ins, and the AP2496 outs are coming back into say channel 5/6 or 3/4....there is your problem: anything coming into the mixer channels goes out the mains and control room outs so you are re-recording everything you have already got in your 'puter.

Two solutions:

1) record out of the FX send (connect the FX send to the AP2496 ins), and keep your return signal going where it is, then you control your record level with the FX send level on the channel you are using. Downside to this: you only get to record mono/one input to the AP2496. But this sends a discrete signal out the FX send, just make sure the channel that you have the outs from teh AP2496 have the FX send off (or you get the loop again)

2) keep recording out of the main outs, and return the outs from your soundcard to teh 2T Return inputs. On th phonic mixer, in the main section (bottom right corner), make sure the 2T to control room button is depressed, and make sure the 2T to main button is NOT PRESSED, or it goes back out the mains. Now, you are only going to hear what is coming into the 2T Return inputs, which means you can't monitor your board inputs UNLESS we now go to the computer and open up the Delta Control Panel .... under "patchbay router", under the H/W OUt 1/2 column on the left, select "monitor Mixer", leave everything else alone. In the Monitor Mixer section, UNMUTE Wavout 1/2 (this is any signal generated by software, ie what you have already recorded), UNMUTE H/W In 1/2 (this now also routes your input signals back out the OUTS, so you hear what is coming to the soundcard from your mixer with no latency). Make sure the Main is also unmuted. For all these unmuted things, make sure the faders are at UNITY gain (0).

Now you have it. WIth option two, you get stereo recording (just pan the inputs left and right) out of your mains. You can monitor from the board by unpressing the 2T-control room button, but this will cut out your return signals, but this is good to set up your record levels. Now, to monitor what you are playing and hear what you have recorded at the same time you press that 2T to control room button (again, do not press the 2T to main button), this will now cut any signals in the board except for the 2T inputs, and that is why we reset the Delta Control panel to feed the input signals back out the outputs so you can hear your inputs along with what you have recorded. DONE.
 
K

I just wont be able to hear it while recording from outside?, because the 2T return is unpushed.. if I push it it would bleed into the track right?
 
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If you follow it the way I have described, it will only bleed into the main outs if you push the button that says 2T --- Main (there is a line from this button pointing to themain meters). If it is just 2T- control it will not bleed. I saw the diagram you have described...... it is NOT the way to hook things up. trust me, this will work. Then just connect your monitors to the Control Room outputs of the Phonic mixer.
 
and please.....this thread is cross-posted all over the place, try to keep that to a minimum, or people here get a little peeved. You should have this in the Newbie section really, but either way....


follow the instructions I gave you for adjusting what the Delta Control Panel needs to have done.

As simply as I can describe it, regarding your diagram, you have it all connected wrong, unplug everything and just do the following:

Phonic Main OUts 1/4"-----> Audiophile Ins RCA

Audiophile OUts RCA------> Phonic 2T-return RCA

Press teh 2T to control Room button down, keep the 2T to main button UNPRESSED.

Monitors attached to Control Room out.
Phones plugged into headphone jack of phonic mixer.

Next lesson: Gain staging ..... but we can save that for after you get this step working.
 
About to try that hookup, sorry about all those threads, and thanks for help you a great helper :)

nothing goes in the "REC" spot?
 
What do I do if I dont want to hear my voice in the headphones while recording..
 
oh excuse me , ^ that was my first username I couldnt remember the password.. sorry if I created a mixup thanks..
 
The Guru said:
What do I do if I dont want to hear my voice in the headphones while recording..

If you don't want to hear your voice while recording (which i am not sure why you would want to do that), then you would go back into the Delta Control Panel , and in the Monitor Mixer you would mute HW In 1/2 (that means HardWare Inputs 1 and 2)....do you follow how it works now?
 
and no....nothing gets plugged into the REC spot...you are using the mixer just to route signals, your soundcard is doing the recording.
 
Ok thanks I totally understand now , thanks for help man, helped alot.
 
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