Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
Impossible...out of the question
James Argo
Fancy Rock N' Roll
Interesting....how did you find it without a computer?
He put his finger into mixer channel 13, chanting...
BBS... BBS... BBS...
"BOOF!!!"
He's here... And he did that in college library...
Now, that's interesting...
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
But Behringer and Joe Meek don't match, you see...Pedullist said:And a Joe Meek compressor isn't a mixer. Duh.
And neither should Creative and Cakewalk, but you guys don't take the hint!
R
reflexa
New member
The Money Pit
The Little Behringer 602 which I use for some outputs was a bargain at $50. You can spill drinks on it, drop it, rest books on it or use it as a door stop. Talk about spending money? Instead of buying a Martin Acoustic I turned into a plug-in freak! From now on it is hardware I will buy because this Technology is always changing but the outputs on the back of rack mountables and the like will always be in use. FILL THE RACK NOT THE HARD DRIVE.........Which Joe Meek would you use for a guitar & amp????
PS: I look at my event 20/20's which have been sitting on the bench for 6 months and used only once. Amazing that I buy all this crap, when I probably could have gotta way with a used reel to reel, radioshack headphones and a clue.
The Little Behringer 602 which I use for some outputs was a bargain at $50. You can spill drinks on it, drop it, rest books on it or use it as a door stop. Talk about spending money? Instead of buying a Martin Acoustic I turned into a plug-in freak! From now on it is hardware I will buy because this Technology is always changing but the outputs on the back of rack mountables and the like will always be in use. FILL THE RACK NOT THE HARD DRIVE.........Which Joe Meek would you use for a guitar & amp????
PS: I look at my event 20/20's which have been sitting on the bench for 6 months and used only once. Amazing that I buy all this crap, when I probably could have gotta way with a used reel to reel, radioshack headphones and a clue.
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Re: The Money Pit
When you buy a hardware compressor, you only get one (obviously), but if you buy a software compressor, you can run as many as your computer can handle....
Yes, I see where you're going but it's not always the best option for homerecording guys.reflexa said:
When you buy a hardware compressor, you only get one (obviously), but if you buy a software compressor, you can run as many as your computer can handle....
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
moskus said:But Behringer and Joe Meek don't match, you see...
And neither should Creative and Cakewalk, but you guys don't take the hint!
Like you could hear the difference....gimme a break, man
Look, the only thing I care about is what lets me record as fast as possible, with the least amount of spacial waste in my room (my studio is very, VERY, little....think the size of your bathroom OK?). So 90% of my setup is software....I LOATHE all those hardware with cables and all. I don't do final mixes on my Behringer, it's only to mix the signals of my guitar processer, Pod & Korg Bass synth into the stereo input of my Audigy.
*Warning, the following statement might come across as arrogant*
Hey, I've heard stuff recorded with 'the equipment I should buy' (made by my tech friends) but my music...........sounds better!
I'm really sorry, but it does....so are my ears screwed or did those tech freaks forgot what it's all about? They call looking at spectrum analys reports 'listening to music'....O shit, I AM getting pissed. Excuse me guys, I love you all!
(like I said, just a bit too many tech friends getting nuts over the stuff I buy)
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
As long as your happy, I'm happy too!
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
Now THAT'S the right attitude, Moskus!
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
I finally got it right...
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
OK, lemme tell you a funny story....(I just like to talk about this interesting subject, I'm not really pissed and I'm not here to piss other people off )
Two years ago I bought a Hamer guitar. Some of my friends screamed 'greeeeeeeeeeeeeat, that's an awesome guitar!', while others mumbled 'meh, that's a stupid metalguitar....you should have bought a real guitar....in other words: 'a Gibson or a Fender'.
I just started recording with it, and I discovered it was a very versatile guitar. Together with my godforsaken Korg AX1000G processor (you should have bought a real amp!). I could make some pretty decent sounds with it. The fun thing is: I played a song to this friend who thought I should have bought 'a real guitar'. And what did he say? 'Hey, did you borrow a Strat for this?' . Another friend said 'what a cool sound, is that a Gibson?'...
My point is, most people are talking out of their asses. True, there are differences in quality in guitars, mixers, soundcards and whatnot. But most people, including the ones with the really strong opinions, won't be able to hear it. And some can hear it, but the fact that you're able to hear it doesn't give you the right to tell other people what to buy. Or to burn them down when they buy something you don't like.
OK, I understand what dachay2tnr is trying to say and I'm not questioning his ears, but his background seems to be much more professional then mine. It's like I said earlier, try to see things in perspective. As long as I don't hear the difference between a Neve and a Behringer, or my audience, I won't buy all that expensive stuff. I rather spend my money on presents for my wife....
I advice a SBLive to all my friends who start out with recording. It's cheap, easy and they won't notice the difference between that Live and a 24/96 Terratec anyway. At the moment they do start noticing it, they have 'matured' enough - earwise - to justify the purchase of an expensive card. I started out with a Live, now I'm working with an Audigy, and I think the next thing I'll buy will be a Terratec or Audiphile. That's only because I'm starting to notice the limitations of my Audigy.
What I just can't understand is why people like to have such extremely strong opinions on equipment, especially when they're comparing equipment in an equal price range. A $1000 dollar bass by Fender is just as good as a $1000 bass by Ibanez. It's only a matter of taste what you like best.
)Two years ago I bought a Hamer guitar. Some of my friends screamed 'greeeeeeeeeeeeeat, that's an awesome guitar!', while others mumbled 'meh, that's a stupid metalguitar....you should have bought a real guitar....in other words: 'a Gibson or a Fender'.
I just started recording with it, and I discovered it was a very versatile guitar. Together with my godforsaken Korg AX1000G processor (you should have bought a real amp!). I could make some pretty decent sounds with it. The fun thing is: I played a song to this friend who thought I should have bought 'a real guitar'. And what did he say? 'Hey, did you borrow a Strat for this?'
. Another friend said 'what a cool sound, is that a Gibson?'...My point is, most people are talking out of their asses. True, there are differences in quality in guitars, mixers, soundcards and whatnot. But most people, including the ones with the really strong opinions, won't be able to hear it. And some can hear it, but the fact that you're able to hear it doesn't give you the right to tell other people what to buy. Or to burn them down when they buy something you don't like.
OK, I understand what dachay2tnr is trying to say and I'm not questioning his ears, but his background seems to be much more professional then mine. It's like I said earlier, try to see things in perspective. As long as I don't hear the difference between a Neve and a Behringer, or my audience, I won't buy all that expensive stuff. I rather spend my money on presents for my wife....
I advice a SBLive to all my friends who start out with recording. It's cheap, easy and they won't notice the difference between that Live and a 24/96 Terratec anyway. At the moment they do start noticing it, they have 'matured' enough - earwise - to justify the purchase of an expensive card. I started out with a Live, now I'm working with an Audigy, and I think the next thing I'll buy will be a Terratec or Audiphile. That's only because I'm starting to notice the limitations of my Audigy.
What I just can't understand is why people like to have such extremely strong opinions on equipment, especially when they're comparing equipment in an equal price range. A $1000 dollar bass by Fender is just as good as a $1000 bass by Ibanez. It's only a matter of taste what you like best.
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
I agree to most parts here!
I was complaining to a pal of mine that my Fender amp was broken (blew out some tubes). A couple of weeks later I played him a tune of mine and his comment was: "Say that's a great guitar-sound! So you've fixed the amp?" All I had done was buying the V-Amp 2...
But one thing about the SB Live. I don't like the card mostly because of it's incredibly bad drivers!!! And I can hear a difference between the SB Live/Audigy and my Inca88.
But if you send me a song, I wouldn't be able to tell that "It's recorded with a SB Live! and not a Audiophile" (but if it's a noisy track I would certainly bet on the SB Live!).
So to summarize:
I was complaining to a pal of mine that my Fender amp was broken (blew out some tubes). A couple of weeks later I played him a tune of mine and his comment was: "Say that's a great guitar-sound! So you've fixed the amp?" All I had done was buying the V-Amp 2...
But one thing about the SB Live. I don't like the card mostly because of it's incredibly bad drivers!!! And I can hear a difference between the SB Live/Audigy and my Inca88.
But if you send me a song, I wouldn't be able to tell that "It's recorded with a SB Live! and not a Audiophile" (but if it's a noisy track I would certainly bet on the SB Live!
). So to summarize:
As long as your happy, I'm happy too!
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Cool down, Ped. We were just teasing you. It's fun to bash Behringer and SB Live. In fact, it has become somewhat of a sport around here.Pedullist said:
From the song I heard you post in the clinic, you are getting good sounds from your stuff. And you're right, that IS the bottom line. Don't get so defensive.
(And for the record, my background is not any more professional than yours. Although, since I use my basement to record, I do have a fairly large room to record in. Therefore I can honestly say, mine is bigger than yours.
)And one other thing. Many people just starting out purchase the full-blown (platinum?) Live card. I think that card goes for around $200. For that money they could have gotten a Delta card. It's not always about the money.
We also tend to hate Creative Labs, since for well over a year they could not provide anyone with workable WDM drivers. Since they were unwilling or unable to provide support to Sonar musicians using their products, we don't have any qualms in bashing their products. They are making cards for gamers, not musicians, and their lack of WDM support just confirmed that opinion.
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
Whoa, I'm quite cool, guys...don't misunderstand my feelings. I'm smiling while I type, with an occasional 'I'm wondering why some people do that' kinda look in my eyes. And like I said, the people around here are cool. That's the reason why my post count on this board has passed the 500 while at other boards I left at 20.
And I did understand you were teasing me, dachay2tnr. My rant wasn't really related to your teasing. I can take your teasing very well. I even 'invented' my own Every Loser Uses Homostudio slogan, remember?
But sometimes I get a bit tired of the constant bashing, you know? Again, you guys are cool....but some of my friends, and people in instrument stores.....jeez.....they can get pretty nutty over equipment....and I never seem to buy the 'right' equipment, hahahaha
I just had to write about it sometime. Because it is kinda funny and interesting, don't you think?
And I did understand you were teasing me, dachay2tnr. My rant wasn't really related to your teasing. I can take your teasing very well. I even 'invented' my own Every Loser Uses Homostudio slogan, remember?
But sometimes I get a bit tired of the constant bashing, you know? Again, you guys are cool....but some of my friends, and people in instrument stores.....jeez.....they can get pretty nutty over equipment....and I never seem to buy the 'right' equipment, hahahaha
I just had to write about it sometime. Because it is kinda funny and interesting, don't you think?
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Shure!
But just because you haven't tried anything else, doesen't mean that there's better sollutions out there. (And ok, maybe you've used other cards. What do I know?!?
)I have to admit, I was pretty defensive of my SB Live!/Audigy when I was using them, but I hadn't experienced anything else and thought that was the way it was. But now I've used "many" different cards past the last 9 months (in various homestudios), and Computer-Music isn't about cards with crappy drivers. Most other cards actually work!
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
dachay2tnr said:
Yeah, you're right about this....I had to wait 2 years for drivers that weren't even half decent. I had blocked that out my memory.
Creative sucks!
LOL
Now tell me what soundcard to buy! Terratec or Audiophile? Delta is out my price range, I'm afraid.
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
moskus said:Shure!
But just because you haven't tried anything else, doesen't mean that there's better sollutions out there. (And ok, maybe you've used other cards. What do I know?!?
I have to admit, I was pretty defensive of my SB Live!/Audigy when I was using them, but I hadn't experienced anything else and thought that was the way it was. But now I've used "many" different cards past the last 9 months (in various homestudios), and Computer-Music isn't about cards with crappy drivers. Most other cards actually work!
Yeah, and I thought you were a guy with the proper knowledge so I immediately bought the Behringer mixer you recommended, hahahah
Next time I'll buy SONAR and you're suddenly a Cubase user (or HS2002?) bashing my recent purchase...LOLAnd I'm not against replacing crappy equipment for good stuff. But not until I've pushed the crappy equipment to its max. That rule keeps us alive, otherwise I forget about food and stuff...
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
That was the old "Let's pick on Pedullist"-syndrome, again! We're only jealous of your great sound! Well, I am anyway...
I like Behringer-equipment! Yeah! And I'm not afraid to admit it. If I should buy "better" products, I would be broke 5 years ago!
I don't like Creative-equipment!
I like Behringer-equipment! Yeah! And I'm not afraid to admit it. If I should buy "better" products, I would be broke 5 years ago!
I don't like Creative-equipment!
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
Actually, after noodling around on my Bass Pod....the next thing I'll replace is my Korg processor....for a guitar Pod. Jeez, these things are good. I love the way it connects to my PC via MIDI, that you can control it with a software program so I don't have to sit on the ground to turn the knobs. I can even automate the knob movements with Cakewalk.
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Pedullist, I'm a little confused. Is it a POD or a V-Amp? I thought you could connect the POD to the computer via USB?
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
That's the new POD....I bought the old Pod (just as good, but MIDI instead of USB.....and way less expensive)