I feel like im clogging this forum with bad q's

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You guys need to get out more. There are, and have been, a bunch of different ways for this to work. Arguing about which one is the 'one true way worthy of being called direct monitoring' is a useless activity.

My motu unit has it's own post ad direct monitoring that is not run by asio2. It has it's own software and mixer.
 
I have a MOTU 828mkII. The zero-latency monitoring is not post A/D, and I bet yours isn't either. Yes, the routing can be controlled via software (CueMix), which is the 24 bit thing I was talking about earlier (again Jimmy2sticks knows more about that than I, sorry I can't explain)
The MOTU works without the computer too right and it passes audio? that's the same process when it's hooked up to the computer for zero latency.

Try actually monitoring Post A/D/A with Apple Core Audio/ASIO1/WDM. It's pretty bad latency (especially WDM which is something like 300 ms)

Post A/D/A hardware monitoring just seems like a contradiction in terms.
(not counting this CueBase ASIO 2 thing)
 
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I have a MOTU 828mkII. The zero-latency monitoring is not post A/D, and I bet yours isn't either. Yes, the routing can be controlled via software (CueMix), which is the 24 bit thing I was talking about earlier (again Jimmy2sticks knows more about that than I, sorry I can't explain)
The MOTU works without the computer too right and it passes audio? that's the same process when it's hooked up to the computer for zero latency.
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In order for the motu to work pre-AD, it would have to employ a bunch of software controlled VCA's (two per channel for panning). Unlikely.
What it does is:sends the signal through the AD and through the virtual mixer on the internal DSP chip and send it back out the DA without ever hitting the computer. When it isn't connected to the computer, the DSP mixer defaults to the 'in channel 1-out channel 1, in channel 2-out channel 2, etc...' setting. That is what the motu dsp is for. It doesn't have to leave the motu, it is not subject to the latency of any computer driver.
 
That makes sense. What I was trying to get at was what you said in your last sentence, that it's not subject to latency of any computer driver.

What I meant by it working Pre A/D I guess was really Pre Computer (USB/FW connection). I think I even said something like that in some other post earlier (maybe in this thread?)

But I thought you had a good explanation of how the MOTU works. I shouldn't have just said Pre A/D because you're correct that the onboard DSP (virtual mixer) is also an A/D/A conversion. At least we agree it's got nothing to do with the computer or drivers.

At least I think we're agreed on that, I don't know anymore.
 
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RAK said:
Jimmy2Sticks was talking about hardware zero latency monitoring that does not go through the A/D/A conversion. It's an all analog signal path for monitoring. The signal goes straight from an Input (say mic 1) to an output (say the headphone out)
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Yeah, true, I thought he was talking about the signal path from the sequencer to the hardware. My bad.

SHould read more carefully :)
 
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