HS50m or HS80m?

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So after years of mixing between headphones and car stereos, I decided to get some proper monitors. Somehow I set my heart on Yamaha HS series...But not sure whether to go for the 5" or the 8" ones. My studio is a 13x13 carpeted bedroom and I understand the logic of not putting big speakers in small rooms. The HS80m has better freq response and cone size...well, a little anyway(42Hz vs. 55Hz on the 5"s). Sooo...on that saying, would the HS80m be too silly?
 
No. If you're able to afford 8s, 8s are the ones.
 
That 13hz difference must be alot, cuz the 80s sound alot bigger.
 
I'm sure a lot of us will probably recommend the 8" since you get more natural bass in there. Though I've watched a review on the Tube and he said that there was a slight coloration on the bass, which is probably a fact for all 8" monitors some way or another.

But even with a small room, most, if not all, monitors come with fine tuning on the back to compensate for room environment.
 
i have the hs50m's and to be honest they are really nice sounding even in a little room. the low end could do with something more but if you are that concerned then get the bigger 8's. it depends what your mixing really.
 
There is a reason that most all studios have the 50's in them as so to check as close to an everyday joe's home listening set up as possible.
 
i have the hs50m's and to be honest they are really nice sounding even in a little room. the low end could do with something more but if you are that concerned then get the bigger 8's. it depends what your mixing really.


That and if you are aware of how your mixes translate you could vertically use any monitor that your comfortable with. ;)
 
I also have the HS50M's and even though the bass isn't as good as the HS80M's they still have compensation controls on the back to boost the bass if that's what you're looking for. That aside, if it's a small room and you don't have any particular reason to spend the extra cash on the HS80M's, I'd get the 50's and save the rest of the cash for something else.
 
i may be completely off track, but if you use a monitor with enhanced bass presence, doesn't that mean your mixes will sound thinner and less bassy on most other systems?
 
that being said, i use HS50Ms in a room about 13x9 and i find them to be plenty bassy
 
i may be completely off track, but if you use a monitor with enhanced bass presence, doesn't that mean your mixes will sound thinner and less bassy on most other systems?

I would think that most studios use bass enhance to simulate a commercial environment, such as a car or a club. I especially noticed this whilest listening to some of Pendulum's older mixes on my monitors. The low end bass is hardly noticeable, neither is the low end synth. Just shows you how much clubs and cars/radio stations really boost the original mixes on songs.
 
Right now I'm also torn between the two!! :confused: More suggestion please!! :)
 
i have krk 8's in a small room and Ive noticed they have to be pushed a bit when mixing...still after using 5's before Id still go with the 8's everytime

unless I was complimenting the smaller speakers with a sub
 
i have krk 8's in a small room and Ive noticed they have to be pushed a bit when mixing...still after using 5's before Id still go with the 8's everytime

unless I was complimenting the smaller speakers with a sub

Hi Keith,
Good to see your back,

Yup, the only way to mix on small speakers is to be constantly aware your mixing blind on the subs.

My new Adam7x's save me so much time, it was such a pain in the butt to be constantly checking the subs on other speakers etc.

Get speakers you can trust to do your whole mixing job.
 
Hi Keith,
Good to see your back,

Yup, the only way to mix on small speakers is to be constantly aware your mixing blind on the subs.

My new Adam7x's save me so much time, it was such a pain in the butt to be constantly checking the subs on other speakers etc.

Get speakers you can trust to do your whole mixing job.

good to be back Pete

are the Adams a recent purchase? what were you using before and how do they compare?
 
good to be back Pete

are the Adams a recent purchase? what were you using before and how do they compare?

I've had them about a month, I was using Tannoy 501a's.

The Adams are awesome. I can find the meat of a track and (likewise the harshness) instantly. Like I said they're saving me so much time.

They sound very flat at medium volume, but they will sound "nice" if they're cranked. They were 1400.00 for the pair, worth every penny.
 
I've had them about a month, I was using Tannoy 501a's.

The Adams are awesome. I can find the meat of a track and (likewise the harshness) instantly. Like I said they're saving me so much time.

They sound very flat at medium volume, but they will sound "nice" if they're cranked. They were 1400.00 for the pair, worth every penny.


thanks....Im thinking about that being the next upgrade and got to start looking....at the moment its a new midi interface...I have another paperweight :(
 
thanks....Im thinking about that being the next upgrade and got to start looking....at the moment its a new midi interface...I have another paperweight :(

The pros in the Mastering thread got me thinking, bottom line if you cant hear it, you cant learn/change it.

Focal and Genelecs are very popular, Dynaudio, Adam, KRK top line are some others. One thing I felt was that most speakers in the 600-1200 range werent worth upgrading too. You've gotta go higher, to hear a big difference.
 
yeah i like the krks to a point but like Ive said they have to be pushed and I just dont have the room....maybe its time for the next jump...or maybe Ive just got GAS :)
 
"One thing I felt was that most speakers in the 600-1200 range weren't worth upgrading too. You've gotta go higher, to hear a big difference."

While I feel that this is true, it is just important to find a pair that you are able to get comfortable/familiar with, more so than anything else when in this price range. I recently did quite a bit of research/listening in the $800 to $1,200 range. A lot of depends on your room, ears, etc. I know of a mix engineer who for years worked on a pair of Behringer Truths and some of his work has been all over the radio. He was able to compensate for the flaws of the speakers in his mind. I'm not advising them (:eek:), but just pointing out that it really depends on a lot of different factors. He claimed they were the least stressful on his ears when doing 4-5 hour sessions. But in the last six months, many manufacturers have started offering pretty amazing sound for under $1,500.

That being said, with monitors, yes, we want truth and accuracy. But at the same time we want our mixes to translate well. Either, let alone both of these were pretty hard to find for under even $3000 and without a pro-treated room until recently.

While PDP's list above of manufacturers all make great stuff, for me it came down to the HS's and the above mentioned Adams. I had a set of Tannoy 501A's that were borrowed and I surely was not going to even bother trying to work on my M-Audio DX4's. I knew that the HS's were not going to be NS10's, but for the money, and my happiness regarding pretty much anything I've owned that was made by Yama in the past, I decided to bring home a pair of HS80's. (I also tried some of the new Sonodyne's, a pair of JBL 4328's, and Event 20/20's. I knew I needed at least a 6" woofer; I've found in the past that anything smaller isn't going to give me what I need on the low end without a sub. I had them for three days and the opportunity came up to try bring home a set of the Adams. I was amazed at the flatness of the sound. In fact, it scared me; I thought that with the ribbon tweeter that perhaps they were tricking me somehow. Being old fashioned, I passed on them and then proceeded to bring home a pair of HS50's and the HS10 subwoofer. (I have a rich acquaintance that is a true audiophile who allowed me try most of the aforementioned, too bad he is obsessed with Skinny Puppy :rolleyes:).

I want to mention subwoofers here since there seems to be a misconception regarding them here. When you use a sub, there is a cut-off filter switch for a HPF that is adjustable to dial in how much bass you want in the mains and so you can fine tune it to your room/set-up. It does not just add another layer of sound to your main monitors. Yes, you can set it to "kill" and your mixes will translate bass heavy on other systems but when tuned properly, it allows the bottom end to be truer and you can actually hear what is going on, allowing your mains a bit more headroom, so to speak.

I often track in a nice studio and often finalize mixes there and since I've had my new set-up, I rarely have had to fix any issues after setting a mix up at home. The speakers I check my work on include a $20,000 set of Tannoys, NS10's, some old amazing Focals, etc.

I ended up keeping the HS80's AND the HS10 sub and have been very happy so far (six months in). I work nearly everyday on them. For the money, I don't believe there is a better monitor out there. I kept the sub because my room is 1,700 sq-ft and with my HS80's, I have a wonderful clean bottom end (I actually use the filter on the sub to shelve the bass a bit as the room is so big and I still need to build bass traps) when working and I'm still get excited just working on them.

For a 13x13 room, I think you would be fine with a set of HS50's and the sub, or a pair of the HS80's. It's vital to be able to hear the bottom end; educated guessing will/can get you by, but with the cost of the Yamaha's, Why Not? Both are very flat from 300 up and stay that way all the way up to around 95db (at least). Go for the 80's, or get the 50's with the sub.

FWIW, If I could (and probably eventually will) I would get the Adams as a second pair. They would perfect to have to work with for near field/general scrubbing/editing and then have the Yamaha's to double check on and visa-versa. But I would do with the Yama's to start with. I've noticed that while the GC have actually raised the price on the HS80's, most online stores are now selling them for $6-630 a pair and the HS50's for $400 a pair. Plus I like the few switches the Yama's have for adjusting them to your room. As I said, for the money, I don't think there are anything better out there. right now. And being Yamaha's, they are built rock-solid.

Speakers I absolutely hated during my testing: KRK's, Alesis M1's, and the Mackie 824's.

The Nuemann KH120's were decent but the Yama's have a bit more power and more features.
 
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