How would you spend $1500?

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Oh... this may be a sin, but without a doubt you may want to check out this preamp. Now, don't let the name scare you. They bought the company. Its a good preamp and it REAL tube, not a gimmick.
Peavey VMP2, actually an AMR design, but Peavey bought them out. CHeck it out at Peavey.com. Pretty, too, and only like $700 new, 2 channels.
Word has it that it rocks as a bass DI, too.
 
Paul thanks for the info sent to me so far its been really helpfull while we are on the mic pre topic in this post how many would i need this is still the question which eludes me this along with the compressor how many would i need keeping in mind i think id need more then just a dual of each when recording bands ? :confused:
 
So Tube, this should probably be obvious to me: It's not unusual to be running several single and dual channel pres into these breakout boxes to power multiple mics?

Drum coverage example: 1 MXLv67/TubeMP/Delta1010
2 MXL603s/Bluetube/1010
2 ATM25s/Sytek/1010
1 SM58/TubeMP/1010

All these mics need to be running through a pre and then into the Delta, right? And a variety of pres "breaks up" stagnated or colored signal?
Do you have a line on the converted Sytek? Answer the rookie tech question first!:cool:

Darrin, how'd you know my Yamaha PSR-270 had speakers?:D
 
Yep. mix and match for each ones best usage, just like mics. If you have a thick sounding really warm preamp, it probably would work well for kick drum or a bass DI, whereas a bright one might be good for overheads (maybe not). Depends.
The Peavy is definatly colored, not a good 1st choice, but not a bad 3rd choice.
The Art is somewhat colered with the BlueTube even more so I think, not the best choices for massive overdubs.
The Sytek is 4 channels, and you can have any channel modded any way you want from the factory. Stock, with Burr Browns or with Jensen input transformers. Each will change the sound. In effect you can have 3 different pre's in one box. Most people opt for 2 channels of Burr Browns, somewhat rounder/warmer, but a tad slower, and the 2 channels of stock which is brighter, more transparent and better for fast stuff like snare, maybe overheads.
The Jensen xformer is good particulalry for vocals. Overall a very clean transparent preamp that would be good for layereing without causing too much mix problems later. Not the best 1st choice, but possibly the best 1st choice for people with our money. Difinately not a bad 2nd or 3rd choice. $200 a channel, too.
 
So I guess one of the weak links to consider with a mixer is the pres you wind up with. My Behringers were harsh and noisey.

Thanks, man. I thought maybe there was something I was missing when trying to envision three or four preamps stacked up to facilitate all the mics.
Another layer of inexperienced haze removed!
I owe ya a beer.:D
 
Sorry, I thought your budget was $1500.....i see now you meant $15000:D

I just dont see why a one-man operation would want 8 inputs/outputs.....

Tubedude is offering up some great advice and some great gear....I offered a solution to your original post....none of the gear i listed is mediore, in fact it is all quite good.....

The input/output options of the Omni are all you need...if one of the preamps you get has S/PDIF digital outputs, you can record 6 separate tracks at once...will you need more than that?....

As far as the quality of thepreamps on the Omni, they use the DMP2 technology.....
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31643&highlight=DMP2

http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/Reviews/2000/June/DMP2.htm

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26263&highlight=DMP2

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26544&highlight=DMP2


The Art Tube MP is one that Ed (sonusman) reaches for time and time again over many high $$$ pres....

To quote him:
"Why would I use the ART over a Focusrite and Drawmer? On some things, it just plain outright sound much better! The Focusrite to my ears only sounds good on a few things. The Drawmer I have been tending to use it's tube compression more than anything. The preamp is okay, but seems to lack a certain something over the ART. I would take the ART over the Drawmer pre in 99 out of 100 applications. The ART vs. Focusrite would be ART 60 out of 100 applications.

I need to get a place to put my whole slew of mp3's back up to. I used to have about 15 mp3's posted on my old website of a cross section of genre's. Most of it used the ART as the main preamp. Spinkled in was a variety of other stuff, Focusrite, Demeter, TL Audio Classic, API, Neve, Peavey VMP 2 (YES!!! Peavery actually DID make a great sounding preamp once upon a time....), Mackie HHB, etc..... Hey, on some of this stuff, it wasn't just me that was favoring the ART. The producer that I worked with on The Heavy Brothers CD (if you have been around for a while, you heard of this stuff I posted in the clinic.....) was used to working with mostly class A gear. When we tracked the HB CD, we ALWAYS tried the "better" pre's first. Who wouldn't. In the end though, we found ourselves going back time and time again to the ART because there was something magical happening in the sound with them. We were getting great record levels on TypeI ADAT's that we couldn't even get close to with some of the fixed gain stage pre's, like the Focusrite, and the top end on these was so nice and extended! Adjustments to the input to output on the unit allowed us to achieve a variety of colors, not just a one trick pony sound like many other pre's.

Well, call me crazy here! But for those of you that haven't heard what I record and mix, I suspect that you are going to be very surprised. You will not be the first. I have had gear snobs envy some of this stuff. Sound like I am patting myself on the back here? Well, maybe, but when people who's work I respect give out these compliments it may be natural to feel validated in my selections of gear. "

This is just advice...take it for what its worth.....Im just showing you how $1500 NOW can get you recording damn good tracks NOW.....

If you plunk out all your $$$ NOW on just preamps and a card, youll still have crappy mics and crappy monitors so what good will it do you?.....
 
Gidgarama, did'nt ya see the post on the first page!!?? Damnit Boy! I'm buyin' all the stuff you listed with a few more pres.

:p
 
I just like to preach....i just dont see a reason to get a 1010 cause youd need 8 preamps to use all 8 inputs........with the Omni, you get 2 preamps head start......

You need 1 preamp for each mic you want to use at the same time.....so with the Omni and a Art Tube MP, you can only record with 3 mics at one time....so youd record your drums with the 3 mics of your choice (2 603's overhead and 1 mic on kick)...then your overdub bass...probably go direct....acoustic guitar would do good with with the 2 603's above each shoulder about a foot and pointed out over the guitar xy, with the v67 a few feet out front.....thats one more overdub...then mic up your amp with the sm58(with the screen off)...up close on the grill and the v67 as a room mic about 3-6 feet out....another overdub gone....for vocals the v67.....

so with the Omni and 1 Art tube mp, you can only use 3 mics at once to record..it can be a combination of any 3 youd like, but thats the most....

if you want to save some dollars you can get away with just getting the 603's for now as far as mics....the sm58 you have is ok for vocals, kick drum if needed...the 603 can work for vocals, though it has been said it bottoms out easy on vocals.....

like I said, tubedude is recommending some good stuff....but you have to figure out what your role is...are you recording a commercial CD to be sold?.....are you making demos to pitch to major record labels?....are you just wanting to make some damn good recordings at home?.....your answer will guide you to the gear you need....

Its so easy at this BBS for us little guys to have gear envy...you think you have to have this and have that and you cant record with this and you cant record with that and its mostly bulll....everything I do now blows away 4 track casette and I havent lost sight of that......As I said in the past, I know my role...Im just a guy doing demos in my spare bedroom wanting the best quality I can get within my $$$$ budget.....
 
Dammit, I was preaching again...hope i didnt confuse you more.....
 
No confusion. All squared away. Gonna add a new circuit to my main box to feed all my preamps!:D
Seriously, I will grab a couple extra pres to cover the drums completely. The point is that I can record each as a seperate track and fine tune each signal, right?

also....

I'll ask this at my own risk. I'm just curious, O.K.?
Have you seen this Roland Studio Pak? It uses their VM-3100 digital mixer and a computer card from M-audio. 24 bit converters but only 41.1 kHz, 12 I/O (20bit on 9-12) 1 & 2 have pres. Transport controls and Logic software.

http://www.marsmusic.com/store/product_new.jhtml?catid=35&prodid=14184&skuid=0

Take a peek and tell me what you think. Worth looking at, or just another toy like the Peavey/Cakewalk studio?
 
All of the inputs have pres or else you couldnt just put a mic there and expect any sound. Only 1&2 have phantom power and xlr type ballanced inputs.

I was also looking into getting this setup but I havent gotten alot of response posting questions in the roland forum 20 tracks with controll like that is very tempting to me.
 
I saw a few on ebay and I think it's 8th street that's throwing in a cheapie set of phones. But like you, I haven't really heard anything postitive or otherwise. If you hear more let me know and I'll do the same.
 
Ive seen this Roland pak in MF and I dont get it....its a mixer with 2 preamps, a soundcard.....ok.....almost $700?.....I dont get it......
 
I dont see anything this package can do that the Omni can't......of course, I havent had the honor of actually working with one, and Im going by the ad specs only....
 
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