How to split up a professional CD?

[HyperSpace]

Hey - Let's say I have a CD that I bought in a store. If I wanted to hear just some "tracks" in a song and remove others - let's say I wanna remove vocals..

..what's the best way to do this? I know I can't completely remove it - but what's the best way to lessen it in comparison?

What I want to do is manipulate Metallica's S and M album. I want to remove Metallica and keep only the orchestra.

Any ideas????????????

 

[justwantyou2kno]

It can't be done.

 

[HyperSpace]

It can't be done.

Sure it can.
I know it can, I just need to know how.
You're no help!

 

[Whoopysnorp]

Sure it can.
I know it can, I just need to know how.
You're no help!

No, he's not kidding. It can't be done. What you're looking to do is pretty much impossible.

 

[HyperSpace]

You people seem to be missing my point. I didn't say I wanted to clear remove it - I want to LESSEN THE VOLUME OF IT!

Nevermind - I figured it out on my own!

 

[jake-owa]

Which is it? They are two different things.
first:
"What I want to do is manipulate Metallica's S and M album. I want to remove Metallica and keep only the orchestra."

Then:
"You people seem to be missing my point. I didn't say I wanted to clear remove it - I want to LESSEN THE VOLUME OF IT!"

You have been asking very general questions that show you are trying to sound informed while learning. Give up on that and your learning process will be far smoother. Don't be mad, just ask VERY SPECIFIC questions and be prepared to weed through the responses.
What you asked in the first post is impossible, no if's ands or buts about it.

 

[sjoko2]

Use a hacksaw

 

[HyperSpace]

but what's the best way to lessen it in comparison?

If that isn't clear then you don't speak English. It can absolutely be done. But I do not remember how I did it so well before.

 

[Tukkis]

If that isn't clear then you don't speak English

It can't be done.

If this isn't clear then YOU don't speak english.
You could remove the center channel but it will remove not only vocals but bass and whatever else is in the center.

Tukkis

 

[willovercome]

some songs lend themselves to this sort of thing, but most don't. if the vocals or guitar or whatever you want to get out is in one specific frequency range all by itself, then you can sort of eq out the rest and LOWER their volume. but i've never come across a song like this.

like everyone else said, don't bother it's not possible. even if it were why not make your own music or record someone else instead of trying to fix something you probably couldn't do any better on?

 

[roman]

Well, hypernewbie, if you are sure it can be done... why not show us eh?!
Sometimes you can do some EQ-ing and frq-canceling.. but what you are asking for is kinda, well almost, impossible.

Just look at a cd-track as a cake. It has different ingredients who have been mixed up and put in the oven to make it one whole cake.
Now, for example, you want to get all the salt out of the cake again... how would you do that??
(okay, there are methods to do so.. but you get the picture right?!)

 

[DeadPoet]

Sure it can be done... you're hearing these new tunes using all of those old disco vocal tracks on the radio all day ?? If THEY can do it, so should we!!








Herwig

 

[Track Rat]

Sure it can.
I know it can, I just need to know how.
You're no help!

This is very easy to do. First get yourself an orchestra. Set up a Decca tree with a couple of Shoeps omni mics and maybe a nice Neumann and have them play the tune you desire as you hit record. Very simple.

 

[willovercome]

the only way to do this is to pay whoever owns the tracks and the song to let you use the original track if it still exists.

 

[malcolm123]

Vox Removal Plugin

There is a plugin that does this.

You run against any instrumental and Walla,, all vocals are removed.

 

[TexRoadkill]

Re: Re: Vox Removal Plugin

See, someone knows what they're talking about. As for all you others - you really serve no purpose here whatsoever, so why not check out a pre-teen AOL chat room?!?

Look, fuckhead what you asked for is not a 'vocal remover' you asked how to remove or lower the volume of specific tracks. Which incidentally CANNOT BE DONE and this was explained to you rather politely.

Since you apparently figured out how to do it why don't you enlighten us because we are all under the mistaken impression that your studio follows the same laws of physics as ours.

 

[Chibi Nappa]

This is getting rediculous.

You can remove most vocals from most songs. The ONLY reason you can remove most vocals is that they are panned dead center. Do this:

Take the song, split it into two separate wavs (one from the left channel, one from the right channel). Reverse the phase of either the left or the right channel. Add them back together. Anything that was panned dead center (like the vocals) will be mathematically eliminated. This DOES NOT work for an entire section of the band panned all over the stereo field. Unless all of Metallica is panned dead center and the orchestra is not panned center, or unless Metallica is panned compleatly hard left and the orchestra is panned compleatly hard right, you cannot remove Metallica and leave the orchestra. Simply cannot be done.



If you really want to, Metallica put out a DVD where they played with an orchestra. One of the DVD extras is an audio mix of just the orchestra mics. Metallica still bleeds in since it was a live show, but you definatly hear mostly orchestra. You lucked out on this one. Get that DVD and use that orchestra audio.

 

[jake-owa]

Which is it? They are two different things.
first:
"What I want to do is manipulate Metallica's S and M album. I want to remove Metallica and keep only the orchestra."

Then:
"You people seem to be missing my point. I didn't say I wanted to clear remove it - I want to LESSEN THE VOLUME OF IT!"

Hey asshole...don't you know what inconsistency is? You asked how to extract the orchestra first and changed what you meant when you felt stupid...and rightly so.

It's always the stupid kids who accuse everyone of bieng stupid kids...go figure.


This guy is a class A moron and this thread will always stand as a testament to that.

You don't know jack shit kid, I asked you not to get mad but to try and ask specific questions but you had to go all juvenile on us didn't you?

But I'm sure you'll keep ignoring good points and information so you can just be a bigger dick, big suprise.

 

[jake-owa]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vox Removal Plugin

Aww, the poor little middle-schooler is getting upset. Too much homework over the weekend?

Oh well, I'm sorry your dad beats ya, little punk bitch!

...and I'm sorry yours didn't beat you enough you little worthless ass maggot. Go suck some cornhole and let the grownups talk nicely.

 

[sae]

All I have to say is that don't come here with your 10 posts and act all big when someone gives you a sugguestion on how to do it.

And I have tried to seperate tracks with eq, etc but it sounds like crap, listen to what people are telling you. Now why don't you buy the DVD and do it that way. Not to mention the fact that you would be breaking the law by copying it and using it in another song, which I assume you will say you composed

All I'm saying is that if you are asking for advice don't jump down the guys throat that's giving it to you. You are not going to last long here, or in any professional vocation. I'm sorry to tell you dude, but you gotta mellow.

Be nice and you will get helped out A LOT by people around here, act like a jerk, and well get treated like one. Word get's around fast and if you are serious about this recording stuff you are going to need resources and this is the best one I have found on the web. Not to mention it's free and there are VERY helpful people here.

Sorry to hear that you blew it for yourself in the very short time you were here.