VesuviusJay
Poser Roaster
This is the angry mountain track. I think the guitar here is HUGE. Ironically enough, they are single tracks panned 75% L and R.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
The guitar on Angry Mountain sounds very distorted.....could be partially an MP3 issue, however, the rest of the music sounds pretty clear. Sounds like it's just extremely bassy and has a huge volume swing happening during the muted parts which equals >> speakers farting at me! Much of it does sound pretty good though. I'm listening on smallish speakers at work so I can't give a very critical listen, however most metal still sounds really good on these speakers.
I may need to respectfully bow out of this discussion, as most people tend to have a drastically different opinion of what death metal or just plain heavy metal guitar should sound like compared to me...
I think that a killer tone comes from the focused midrange growl of a high quality amp and that a bassy, fuzzed-out, gravelly blur is absolutely wrong for metal! This in itself may exclude me from many conversations on guitar tone....however - I've known many people that have just shit themselves over the guitar tone on certain albums but they don't grasp that it was achieved with an entirely different philosophy than what they are employing. I will be the first to say that the kind of tone I would want to record with is nothing like what I would expect to use live, at least not the sound of the amp on it's own. But the tone you go for on the amp and the sound of the overall mix are two different things. A seemingly "weak" tone to most people's ears usually will yield much better results when recorded and layered.
In short, I could rant all day about guitar tone but it never gets me anywhere so I'll save it
(for my idea of guitar perfection....listen to the opening bars of "The Masters Apprentice" by Opeth - polar opposite of the fuzzy/ muddy approach but it is devestatingly heavy
)
I may need to respectfully bow out of this discussion, as most people tend to have a drastically different opinion of what death metal or just plain heavy metal guitar should sound like compared to me...
I think that a killer tone comes from the focused midrange growl of a high quality amp and that a bassy, fuzzed-out, gravelly blur is absolutely wrong for metal! This in itself may exclude me from many conversations on guitar tone....however - I've known many people that have just shit themselves over the guitar tone on certain albums but they don't grasp that it was achieved with an entirely different philosophy than what they are employing. I will be the first to say that the kind of tone I would want to record with is nothing like what I would expect to use live, at least not the sound of the amp on it's own. But the tone you go for on the amp and the sound of the overall mix are two different things. A seemingly "weak" tone to most people's ears usually will yield much better results when recorded and layered.
In short, I could rant all day about guitar tone but it never gets me anywhere so I'll save it
(for my idea of guitar perfection....listen to the opening bars of "The Masters Apprentice" by Opeth - polar opposite of the fuzzy/ muddy approach but it is devestatingly heavy
)
VesuviusJay
Poser Roaster
I tend to agree with you dude. I really love the growly sound of my triple rectifier when set propery. Much more mids, much less bass = super growl. Of course this is hard to attain with a POD but Ill keep hacking away at it!
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
I was bored last night so I spent about three minutes recording this for shits and giggles, and to illustrate my point. The first link is a mindless little guitar riff with a seemingly horrible sound and just one take. The second link is the same take, plus being layered 2 more times per side. I just threw a mic in front of the amp and recorded something, with no thoughts to getting the best sound. So with some careful set-up and tweaking you could take this concept really far.
Anyway, just thought you might want an example
one take (sounds like shit)
3 takes (actually starts to get heavy!)
Anyway, just thought you might want an example
one take (sounds like shit)
3 takes (actually starts to get heavy!)
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
VesuviusJay said:
The overall mix is too bass heavy and distorting (Notice it on the toms). But the guitars sound not bad. Hard to judge with so much lo end on the overall mix.
Not a bad mix though.
Nice playing man.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
metalhead28 said:I was bored last night so I spent about three minutes recording this for shits and giggles, and to illustrate my point. The first link is a mindless little guitar riff with a seemingly horrible sound and just one take. The second link is the same take, plus being layered 2 more times per side. I just threw a mic in front of the amp and recorded something, with no thoughts to getting the best sound. So with some careful set-up and tweaking you could take this concept really far.
Anyway, just thought you might want an example
one take (sounds like shit)
3 takes (actually starts to get heavy!)
Guitar tone is alright although too muddy. Not enough hi on it.
I agree that the sound take is better. It sounds a bit wider and a nicer tone, more hi end definition.
G
GreenDank
New member
metalhead28 said:I was bored last night so I spent about three minutes recording this for shits and giggles, and to illustrate my point. The first link is a mindless little guitar riff with a seemingly horrible sound and just one take. The second link is the same take, plus being layered 2 more times per side. I just threw a mic in front of the amp and recorded something, with no thoughts to getting the best sound. So with some careful set-up and tweaking you could take this concept really far.
Anyway, just thought you might want an example
one take (sounds like shit)
3 takes (actually starts to get heavy!)
cool illustration!!
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
GreenDank said:
Thanks
I like to try and make a point in the best way possible
Ecktronic, yeah, I know what you mean, especially after listening to it on my PC speakers at work today
It's still somewhat dreadful as far as a finished sound goes, but I think it makes the point pretty well.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yip defo. 
VesuviusJay
Poser Roaster
K guys here is the song with single guitars per side..
and with 3 per side...
How'd I do?
and with 3 per side...
How'd I do?