How does diaphragm size/polar pattern relate to mic applications?

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HONOR THE SONG
The song will tell you exactly what it wants - if you're open enough to listen.

WHERE'S THE "HOOK"?
That's the part of the song you mostly remember, either a catchy phrase, or melody, or both. It can even be an unusual instrument. Most hit songs have a "hook". All time great lyric hook? Probably Steppenwolf's "Born To Be Wild". All time great melody hook? Hendrix "Purple Haze".

GET TO THE "HOOK" IN UNDER ONE MINUTE
If you want to be a star, don't waste your time setting up a long, complicated intro to a song. Get to the heart of the song quickly. Consider the examples listed above. When you're doing your stage show, then you can do the long version. A record executive will give you about 12 seconds of his time. If you spend two minutes just getting into the song, you haven't got a chance.

IS IT "RADIO-FRIENDLY"?
Is it the kind of music you're likely to hear on the radio? If a radio station won't touch it, chances are a record exec won't either.

IS IT TOO LONG?
Leave the long version for the stage show. Tell your story in 3 to 3½ minutes. (This isn't a hard and fast rule, but if you're gonna take 6 minutes to say what you want to say, it better be important stuff that people want to hear.)

DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
Is your lyric really tight? Are you just throwing in lines to stretch the song? You've got 3 to 3½ minutes to tell your story - make every word count.

IS IT SOUP YET?
That's from an old Campbells soup commercial, about a kid standing near the kitchen window, wanting to know if the soup is ready. Some groups keep adding more and more layers, till the arrangement is so full, the original song gets lost. Learn to know when a song is finished, and stop there.

FEELING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TECHNIQUE
Nobody thinks Smashing Pumpkins are the best musicians on the planet and they'll never win a Grammy for "Instrumental of the Year". Unless you're Dream Theater, go for feeling.

CAN YOU DO IT BETTER, OR JUST DIFFERENT?
Guitar players, and some singers, are funny sometimes. If they improvise, they want to lay down 20 tracks and choose the best parts. That's OK if you have unlimited time and money, but most of the time, any good take will work fine.

A "MISTAKE" IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY
During a session, somebody will sometimes hit a note they didn't mean to hit. Is it a mistake? Yes, no, maybe, or maybe not. If the song is in E minor and the guitar player hits an E major, it's probably a mistake, but if the bass player hits a B instead of an E, it may not be a "mistake" - it may make the song better.

DON'T OVER-PRODUCE
If you have a small group (Bass, Guitar, Drums, and Vocals), you don't need 6 to 12 stereo guitar tracks. Two similar rhythm guitar tracks (for fattening) and a lead track are usually more than enough. Most engineers (myself included) are frustrated producers. When you have all those tracks available, the temptation is to "use 'em all." My advice? Don't.

DON'T LOSE THE FEEL
The basic "groove" of the song is important. If you cover up the groove by adding more and more stuff, you stand a serious chance of messing up the song. If the groove isn't there, all the extra things you add won't help.

PERFECT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN GOOD
Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Green Days, and Tripping Daisy proved that you don't have to be an Eric Clapton to have a hit record. Do what you do best. If the lyric is the most important thing in your songs, you don't need a killer guitar solo (or any solo for that matter).

IF YOU OVERPOLISH, YOU MAY LOSE THE EDGES
Sometimes a group will work for weeks in the studio, eliminating every fret rattle, adjusting the volume of each note in a solo until it's perfectly balanced, or actually punching in every line of the vocal, line by line. Sometimes it's better, but not usually. Most often, the life goes out of the song and you lose the emotional impact in the quest for perfection. If the group is solid in the studio, it comes through on the tape and it's fun. If it's overpolished, it can end up sounding cold and sterile. "The operation was a success, but the patient died."
 
Wow, those are incredible tips, real wisdom even. Thank you yet again.

Fab
 
Fab,

Let me add one more important fact that should never be forgotten:

Without a great performance, by really great, talented musicians, none of the stuff in this thread is important.

It's never been about gear. It's about capturing a magical moment in time. And if the performance is truly memorable, you can do that with a $30 Radio Shack mic and a cassette recorder.
 
Harvey< You mean we cant fix it in the mix if you suck to begin with.
OR
even all the modern tech wonders can just do so much to hide my lack of talent!
Oh well
Guess I gotta find another Hobby:D :D

Too bad
That was my plan
I figured with I could play without a mistake for almost 15 seconds, and then stick all those sections together to make a whole song :)


still gotta get up there to Sanger to visit you



Peace
Bill
 
Harvey, how long have you been recording/producing? Sounds like you know your stuff!
 
Jblount said:
Harvey, how long have you been recording/producing? Sounds like you know your stuff!

Including today? Almost 3 months.

Actually, I started in the very early 50s with a Brush Soundmirror, one of the first tape recorders sold in the US (magnetic particles coated on a paper "tape"). So it's been over 50 years I've been doing this stuff. Maybe next year, I'll finally get it right.
 
Wire Recorder

Harvey Gerst said:
Including today? Almost 3 months.

Actually, I started in the very early 50s with a Brush Soundmirror, one of the first tape recorders sold in the US (magnetic particles coated on a paper "tape").

Not that I plan on using it but I have a wire recorder in storage here. Probably be hard to resurect its not been plugged in in so long now. Probably lots of folks never heard of the beast much less seen one. I must however admit I've never heard of the one above though.
 
The Brush Soundmirror was an improvement in handling and fidelity over a wire recorder. The old wire recorders were amazing devices and yours probably still works. If there is oxidation on the reel, it will need to be cleaned off, and you might find some interesting stuff on some of those old reels. Splicing consisted of tying a square knot in the broken ends.

Considering they packed almost a mile of wire onto one of those little 3" reels, it was a pretty sophisticated device for its time. The most popular wire recorder was a Webster, as I recall. Only saw a few of them when I was a kid.
 
As I recall it is a Webster and the reel with it was court testimony.
I'll have to look for it next dig in long term storage shed.
 
New Thread Thanks to Harvey

Brad on Pro Sound Web gave Harvey a suggestion about a new mic pre thread. Harvey has taken the challenge and is inviting some real preamp heavyweights to take part. This new one looks to have a real big future and promise to turn into another one equal to the Big Mic Thread. I'm going to try to link here to the thread: Mic Pre Thread

I hope it draws the quality input and questions this Mic thread has and also lives just as long and fruitful life as this one.
 
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Updated html Microphone Primer

I finally updated the one-page html version of this thread that eliminates a lot of the chatter. It was over one year out of date, but still getting 2-3 hits per day. The old link posted in this thread is dead, but up until a couple of months ago there was a forwarding link that was still working.

The new link is: http://users.adelphia.net/~opunwide/MicPrime/MicrophonePrimer.html
 
What an education

Man oh man. I am so glad that the mods finally decided to make this a sticky, because this was the first thread I checked when I got to the mic section. Wow, wow, wow. I have learned so much. Thank you Harvey for your time, patience, and style. Thank you Chris F for asking the original question. Thank you Tekker for the Word version.

I am a keyboardist, and hardly ever need to mic anything, as most everything I do is electronic. But, I will need to start doing some vocals. The style of music is industrial so I will be putting my voice through distortion and stuff. I am a loud basso profondo, on a good day I can go as low as C2 comfortably but my upper range pretty much stopps around G3. I also tend to whisper and hiss a lot. So, concidering that what would be a good choice of mic? I am thinking that since I will be adding distortion (via stompboxes and stuff), and the hissing and such, I would need a mic that is mellow and dark sounding so distortion doesn't sound harsh, as it will add higher harmonic content. So, given the above what would be a good mic, under $800? Are the mic pres in my Aardvark Q10 Pro good enough or should I look for an outboard pre? I have never operated a microphone before (well, not seriously at least, other than a few live situations, but that's different, and I don't even remember what mic I was using, other than that it was some cheap dynamic thing), and I don't own any.

Thank you in advance to anyone that could shed some light on this.
 
So, the question was too lame or nobody's reading this thread anymore? Or nobody cares for distorted vocals, and no one can give me advice on what mic/preamp to use if vocals are going to be distorted?

:(
 
i cant give any advice on mic/preamp, but give people more time than a day to respond :-P
 
69ShadesofRed said:
So, the question was too lame or nobody's reading this thread anymore? Or nobody cares for distorted vocals, and no one can give me advice on what mic/preamp to use if vocals are going to be distorted?

:(
First of all, the distortion should be added during mixdown, not during the recording stage. That way, you have more distortion options later. As far as mic choices, it's impossible to tell without hearing your voice doing the material. "Industial" is a genre; it's not just one group, or one singer.

If you were in my studio, I might try a Shure SM-7, or a Beyer Soundstar, or a ribbon mic, or a large condenser mic on your vocals, but which mic would depend on the sound we were going after for that particular song.

I'd also be thinking ahead to the "kind" of distortion to add to the track during mixdown, so I'd be playing with the eq to insure intelligability when I did add distortion.

Or maybe I'd leave your clean vocal alone and run the distortion to an empty track, so I could control the ratio between clean and distorted.

I'd record the quiet vocal stuff on a separate track and the loud vocal stuff on a different track, so I have even more mixing options later.
 
Harvey,

Thank you for the advice. The record clean/add distortion during mixdown makes perfect sense. Come to think of it, this will also allow me to dump it onto the sampler for further manipulation!

Thank you
 
Did this ever get edited down into a FAQ? if so where can I find it?

I've spent the last two nights devouring this page by page. Compulsive reading for all home recers.

Fantastic Harvey!
 
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