How Do You Tell A Drummer "You Suck"

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Thanks for the replys. I'm still not quite sure what to do, I keep dropping hints but he just aint catching them. I've already got a reputation as an asshole so I guess I'm just going to have to live up to it and tell him like it is. Even tracks with me on drums sound better than his, and my only experience as a drummer was way back in the 60s with a country band, (that should tell you how off he gets.) BTW he plays left handed (third one I've worked with) and plays faster as a song progresses, not that being a lefty has anything to do with it. I don't understand it but he says clicks and loops throw him off, I don't know how but that's what he says. If I didn't want to keep him as a friend it would be easy to tell him to take his sloppy playing elsewhere.
 
Dani Pace said:
I don't understand it but he says clicks and loops throw him off...

You need to explain to him that the clicks and loops are RIGHT ON and HE is the one who is off. He needs to be enlightened to his problem so he can get better. As a friend, explain to him that you are trying to help him get better and if his ego is going to get in the way of his bettering himself then he will never get 'there.'
 
Dani Pace said:
Surely I'm not the only one who has tried to record a drummer who just can't stay on time... [clip] ...Anyone got any suggestions for how to let him down easy?

Tell him he plays like Keith Moon... after eating a handfulla tranks.
 
Dani Pace said:
I've already got a reputation as an asshole so I guess I'm just going to have to live up to it and tell him like it is..

Sounds like you have a plan
 
Start off telling him how excellent he is on stage in a live situation.

Then add the 'but'...

for studio work it isn't working out and he needs to play to a click track.

If he won't play ball, disolve the band for a month or two, then start it up again but without him as a 'new' project !


Or get someone else to tell him he's out of time!
 
I'm not a drummer but the ones I know say that playing along to a click is actually pretty difficult at first. it's something most people have to learn how to do and it takes a bit of practice.

Maybe he's pretty insecure about his abilities and he rejects the idea of a click because it thinks it'll make him look even more incompetent? Let him know that you wouldn't expect him to be able to do it straight away and that you appreciate it's not easy.

Sell it to him likes it's a new skill that would be beneficial for him to learn now and for the future.

You wouldn't even be bullshitting, it's true.
 
if you guys are tight on stage...then why play to a click?
Just record all of you guys playing together and record just the drums..have the axe's and bass DI'd...waalaa...problem solved! :p
 
Alternatively, purchase a drum machine or some softdrums.

Really, I don't know why most bands bother with drummers these days.

In fact, since the rest of the band's timing probably leaves a little to be desired, why not just get a sequencer and a midi set up (or whatever the modern equivalent is)
 
Bring Simon Cowell

One of the things I've done is have him play to one of those cheap keyboard beats through headphones or via monitor--- 'can you play this beat?' Then let him go off on it for about 5-10 minutes before he cuts the track. It helps!

2) Make the band play to a click track and then do drums last.

Settle in with your favorite book and retake the thing a million times in the control room.

3)---I'd agree that if a band sounds good live, then leave it be in the studio. I've heard CDs with drifting tempos, wild bass lines, etc...

4)Get a third, fourth, fifth party opinion on how it sounds.

5)Include the drummer in a group discussion about it.

6)Offer him a drum clinic with a professional drummer.
 
Why not just cut the the good parts of his takes, loop them and build the drum part that way. That way it doesn't matter if he speeds up
 
smile - do the job - and thank god when your not recording him.

i lost a pal of 10 years when i recorded him - and i was nice about it! defenses kicked in and... whooo. no fun. i say cut him slack - do the gig - and then grab a beer together.

'Really, I don't know why most bands bother with drummers these days.'

it's the bass players they don't seem bother with anymore! :eek: sad.

See ya -
Mike
 
If it were me, I'd explain that working in a studio needs to be a lot different than working live, and that he absolutely needs to work with a click track or metronome "like other professional studio drummers", or you won't be able to use his stuff. I would lay his drums down either separately or with the bass player only, and hope that he "gets it" under those conditions.
 
My Handsome Nell

Did you know that "My Handsome Nell" was the very first peom written by Robert Burns? Or am I telling you somethoing you already know?
Cheers
JockStrat :rolleyes:
Handsome Al said:
This is great... it's like agony aunt/uncle time...

Tell him he needs to play to a metronome because it makes the song sound shit... and that if he doesn't want to do it you will need to find someone else who will... don't tell him he's shit... maybe if he tried to play to a metronome he would be in time? and hence wouldn't be shit...

It's your job as engineer to make it clear to him what is needed.
 
Play them the sucking drums back isolated and point out every mistake. That's what I do.

However, don't do it unless you are ready for them to say you should just edit it in ProTools and make it right... sigh...

Then you tell them: "of such things true suckage are made."
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
However, don't do it unless you are ready for them to say you should just edit it in ProTools and make it right... sigh...


AAAAAARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I almost forgot about...

Oh yeah...

There's always :

Drum triggers

Quantize MIDI
 
Next question, should I use a hammer or a 2X4 to get his attention?
 
Dani Pace said:
Thanks for the replys. I'm still not quite sure what to do, I keep dropping hints but he just aint catching them. I've already got a reputation as an asshole so I guess I'm just going to have to live up to it and tell him like it is. Even tracks with me on drums sound better than his, and my only experience as a drummer was way back in the 60s with a country band, (that should tell you how off he gets.) BTW he plays left handed (third one I've worked with) and plays faster as a song progresses, not that being a lefty has anything to do with it. I don't understand it but he says clicks and loops throw him off, I don't know how but that's what he says. If I didn't want to keep him as a friend it would be easy to tell him to take his sloppy playing elsewhere.

Yeah, that's a tough call. It just depends on which ultimately is more important to you, the friendship or the music. I disagree with the earlier poster who said if the friendship is solid it will survive his getting booted, I highly doubt that.

You could track everything with him, then re-track it with someone else later. But that's kind of underhanded and really just puts off the day of judgement for later, it will still happen.

You stop recording for a while, let the trail go cold so to speak. Then when you restart use someone else. That's time consuming though, and no help if you really want to keep going now.

You could bring in a bunch of different drummers, so it's not so personal as him against one other person.

Or you could just say you want to track the drums yourself.

Another option would be to make the issue of playing with loops a big deal. Since he clearly doesn't like that and isn't good at it, you would at least be at some sort of point of agreement as to why you might want to go in a different direction as far as drummers.

But ultimately, I suspect it ain't going to be pretty.
 
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