How do you normally mix?

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I am always looking for a better way to make my music gel the best way possible. I was wondering how all of you do it. Like not as far as tracking and e.q. and all that, but more along the lines of : what level do you moniter at, what do you normally use to build the song around i.e."bass drum, snare, vocals, ect.", how often do you compare to other cd's. that sort of thing.
 
I always start at pretty loud volumes. I begin with the drums getting everything clean without eq and making sure the levels of my overheads are sitting in the kit. Then I solo bass and drums and make sure all the bass notes are lining up with the kick or at least on beat. Then I use subtractive eq on both bass and drums to get them fitting eachother.

To be honest my mixing style past that is all tracking. I just track and retrack guitars and vocals until it starts to work...then I do it twice more.

It gets confusing in a home studio because the artist is writing, mixing and tracking all at the same time. I consider a vocal rewrite a valid part of the mixing process, how messed up is that?

After I have all the parts I want in place I usually don't need to mix any more. I mostly just submit it to the clinic and do what people tell me to.:D

..and I never use other material as a refrence....I'm bad I guess.
 
I start with the vocal, then the primary instrument (guitar most of the time) then bass and drums, then everything else. Volume levels are much constantly changing.


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"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
I listen to some reference CDs through my system at around 85dB "A" weighted to get my head dialed in to what I'll be mixing. I like to get a drum mix roughed in first and then I push the bass up, then guitars and vocals. I get that close to a "mix" and then I re-check the level out of the speakers to make sure the overall level is still about 85dB at the mix position. and then start the fine tuning.
 
Well, I don't have a db reader yet, but if I did, then I would play a cd through my monitors to get the overall volume of my monitors at the correct level.

For now, the first thing I do is listen to the cd or cds that I am referencing while I pull the faders down to infinity.. the eq's, aux sends and returns to zero, and turn the gain pots all the way down. Nothing more annoying than realizing your mix sucks because you are mixing with parameters from the last tune you were working on. Totally messes up your ears too.

As the music is playing, I then bring the fader of channel one up to 0db and turn the gain up slowly until it clips at the loudest level of the music. I then bring it down just under the clipping position. I repeat for each channel.

After the mixer is properly calibrated to my satisfaction, I then do nothing else but move the channel faders until all the channels sit well. I have masking tape with fader settings at each channel where I pen in the adjustments needed while the song is playing. Now that I have a basic mix, I do whatever cuts in eq necessary. Then I print a copy of it to DAT and listen through headphones for any finite details that are sticking out that need to be mixed out, such as string scrapes or noises during silent parts. After fixing these, I make judgements as to compression and fx.

I then spend my time trying out my mix in the cd player, the computer, and in the car.

Cy
 
jake-owa said:
I always start at pretty loud volumes. I begin with the drums getting everything clean without eq and making sure the levels of my overheads are sitting in the kit. Then I solo bass and drums and make sure all the bass notes are lining up with the kick or at least on beat. Then I use subtractive eq on both bass and drums to get them fitting eachother.

Can you explain a bit more about subtractive eq on bass and drums. That may be what I need to do in my mix because my bass is disappearing at certain parts of the song. I'm using Sonar.

Thanks.
 
Thank you Blue Bear for Mixing 101.

The next questions I have for you are very important for me. It must sound silly for you but I just have to ask. Please be gentle with me now. :-)

1. Your frequencies table suggests both Bass drum and Bass Guitar Bottoms to be at 60 or 80Hz . Wouldn't that result in Phasing? I was thinking my bass guitar disappearence has to do with that. (BTW, is that either 60 or 80? Or bass drums be set at 60Hz and Bass Guitar be set at 80Hz, etc.? Or any number within this range for any of the instrument?)

2. How do you find out the initial frequecies of a track before you even insert and play with FxEQ?

Thanks in advance with utmost respect.

-Will
 
Well... for one thing -- I wouldn't worry so much about the numerics -- simply use your ears!

2nd -- even if the kick and bass overlap in terms of bottom "note", they aren't likely to interfere with each other in terms of phase since the kick sound is a transient sound with sharp decay while the bass has a much longer decay.

Those tables (not penned by me, incidently), are guidelines only and not hard and fast -- the specific frequencies depend very much on the individual instruments themselves, the room they're in, and the way they're recorded!
 
Yo Bear of Blue:

You forgot to mention, "Push up the faders and go...."

My mix:

six part Gordon's Gin, ice, no parts vermouth and one large pickled mushroom -- err, well, I couldn't resist.

Green Hornet:D :p
 
I beg to differ with you sir. Tanqueray with dry Vermouth (just a splash). You're spot on with the schroom however.
 
Yo Track Rat:

I like that Tanqueray stuff too. But, Gordon's is almost as good and half the price.

Just bought some great "shrooms" from my place of summer work, a golf course -- got them at cost and they are "wonderful."

Enjoy,:]

Green Hornet
 
Track Rat said:
I beg to differ with you sir. Tanqueray with dry Vermouth (just a splash). You're spot on with the schroom however.


On this I must agree with Winston Churchill on this. The apropriate use of Vermouth in a Martini is to bow once in the general direction of France.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
jake-owa said:
It gets confusing in a home studio because the artist is writing, mixing and tracking all at the same time. I consider a vocal rewrite a valid part of the mixing process, how messed up is that?

After I have all the parts I want in place I usually don't need to mix any more. I mostly just submit it to the clinic and do what people tell me to.:D

..and I never use other material as a refrence....I'm bad I guess.

hehe...my current fixation "without you" has had the vocals retracked 4 times now by 2 different...err...singers (yes Im one of them, for 2 counts, course I use the term singer loosely) and Im bringing in a third cus us first 2 sucked.

and yea...I mix as I go too...

what Im curious about though is this "reference material" you speak of? hehehe :eek:
 
hastily, with pending remorse.

i slap my stuff together as quickly as i can stand to. maybe because of time constraints, or ADD, i'm not sure.

actually, i guess this is kind of how i write, too. i like to take my mixing work (at least at my extreme novice level) the same way-put it together in the moment, when i am in whatever mindstate i'm in, with no breaks, etc. not only do i get a reflection of where i was at emotionally at the time (i'm all about intimate expression as a singer/songwriter/amateur recordist), but i can pick up on my mistakes over time.

that said, i'm not looking to make any money with my work yet. just trial-and-erring my way. my own little baptism by fire.
 
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