How DO YOU mix?

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i have the feeling you are here for the long term and not just some kid with cracked waves and a fender squire (though I do have a squire meself lol) :D

lol I had a squire strat as my first guitar, I decided to cut it in half one day to make a half-caster (no racist intentions) inspired by Johnny Resnick. It didnt turn out as well as I had hoped :laughings:

I belive that, the tools are only as good as the person using them. If you cant use a budget mic well what makes you able to get a better sound using a high end mic? If you cant use DAW standard plugins to their limit in what way could you use high end plugins to get a pro sound?

If anything the people who have next to nothing to get a good sound, having to work around limitations, end up better than those who have everything.
 
If you cant use a budget mic well what makes you able to get a better sound using a high end mic?

Because the high-end mic just sounds better...?

:D

I get what you are trying to say...but don't be fooled into thinking the quality of the gear has little impact as long as you have good skills.
I mean...if that were true...the pros would all be using budget gear as much as possible too. Why would they spend big bucks on high-end gear and lower their net profits if they didn't really have to? ;)

Thing is...better gear DOES make a difference...often a huge difference, 'cuz you can only milk a $59 mic so far. :)
But it's good learning how to get the most out of budget gear before you move up to higher-end stuff.
 
Of course I dont belive that the gear has little impact on the end product, If that was true there would be alot of companies out there who are out to really rip you off.

There seems to be quite a few people out there who belive if they have a waves bundle, and a Mic with an expensive price tag they will instantly be pro. Indeed having used mics that never topped £100 then buying one with a £300 price tag, I instantly noticed the difference in clarity and charater of the mic compared to the cheaper ones I use, That said, being more sensitive means that I have to be twice as careful with my technique.
 
Oh I totally understand your point.

I started out many years ago with the typical 4-track reel-to-reel...a couple of mics and only a tape echo w/spring reverb as my only FX box.
No compressors or outboard EQs....end yeah, every move had to be considered due to the limited track count and gear.

I was only making the point that "high-end" gear isn't some myth.
It's also important to realize when/if you've reached the limit of a particular piece of gear and that you really would benefit from an upgrade at that time.
There are lots of guys on “home recording” forums who don’t ever feel they need to go beyond the $59 mic and the $100 preamp...etc. Many have negative attitudes about the need to spend-up a little to improve their setups...
…like it's all some hoax started by the manufacturers of higher-end gear just to part you from your $$$! :D
 
I much prefer musicians who may not be at the top of their class but can throw all their emotions into the song. Like some metal guitarist who prides him self on being able to sweep perfectly and play 25 different notes a second in perfect time, and a guitarist who doesnt know what sweeping is but can play a 5 note solo that makes your hair stand on end. Thats why I love blues, not the most challanging but one of the most emotive.

Because I can't resist taking the bait... :D

While this is, to an extent, true, there are also guys who can have it both ways. I'm a huge Satriani fan, and at his best he can play 25 perfectly executed, perfectly controlled notes a second, and STILL make your hair stand on end.

I cut my teeth playing blues and grunge rock before I got pretty heavily into shred-y stuff, so I definitely appreciate the slower, bluesier stuff too, but a lot of guy automatically hear speed (or, even worse, hear that a particular player HAS speed) and stop listening, lamenting all these emotionless chop-fests. Sure, maybe 8 times out of ten that's true, but a lot of the truly great players with technical aptitude - Satriani, Timmons, Zaza, even Vai and Petrucci when the former isn't being weird and the later isn't showing off - are great precisely because they can bring emotion to bear on technique and make it serve the song.

Anyway, to at least pretend like I'm on topic here... Even when I'm demoing with just drum loops, I rarely have fewer than 20 tracks and play. Sure, not all of them are "fundamental" tracks - I'll double rhythm guitars or, if acoustic, often record in stereo to separate tracks, I usually record melody lines and solos to different tracks and then bus them, and I can't resist overdubbing ebow lines or random guitar noise here and there - but if you're doing even a simple rock mix things add up pretty quickly. Making it work is just a question of not letting anything get too big and dominate anything else.
 
While this is, to an extent, true, there are also guys who can have it both ways. I'm a huge Satriani fan, and at his best he can play 25 perfectly executed, perfectly controlled notes a second, and STILL make your hair stand on end.

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It makes me pull my hair out. :spank: :laughings:
 
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