How do my drums sound!? Recorderman technique used?

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Hey, I used the recorderman technique to track drums and I was just wondering how you guys think they sound.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=10703

I used

Joe Meek JM27s for overheads
SM57 on the snare
and a CAD bass drum mic on the kick I forget the model number

How do they sound. I feel like my room sounds like shit?
 
Overall sound is good, balance of drums/cymbals good but it sounds like your snare and kick are too far off centre. I think they would be better in the middle. Be nice to hear how your toms fit in.
 
I think it sounds pretty good except for 2 things: your kick is missing low end and your snare is ringing alot, tuning should fix that.
 
L mandrake said:
Overall sound is good, balance of drums/cymbals good but it sounds like your snare and kick are too far off centre. I think they would be better in the middle. Be nice to hear how your toms fit in.
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Im not sure how to do this using hte recorderman technique, any ideas.
 
If there's a separate bass mic, crank the bass a bit (well, the bass-end of the bass track :D)

I did notice that the bass and snare sound very "wide" - did you hard pan the overhead mics? If so, bring them in closer to center a bit.

What they said about the snare is true to an extent, but anything recorded over the drums I suspect would wash out most of that ring (I could be wrong, I haven't heard it of course). Sounds very good overall though!
 
Yeah they are hard panned. Ill try maybe 50% and see how that sounds.
 
My suggestions.... in what I believe to be order of importance.

1. Change the panning. Try kick and snare in middle, overheads panned slightly apart... may have to experiment a bit with the spacing of those.

2. Tune the snare drum to help avoid the ringing and check the positioning of the snare mic. Your hats are a bit too loud in my opinion and one thing that may help is changing the angle of your snare mic to point slightly away from your hats, and additionally, move the mic farther from the hats if possible. The 57 on the snare picks up very little noise from behind, so the angle may help the entire situation without actually changing any levels within the mix.

3. Get some more low end and punch in your kick drum. Depending on what kind of EQ you have available to you, there may be different ways of doing that. Remember... sometimes when you take a little away, you are actually adding a little to the mix. Try a little cut between ~750hz-1.5khz. Or you might try boosting a little bit ~80hz-750hz and again at ~2khz-5khz. Doing this might add a little low end and a little bit of "attack".
 
Thank you gtsleeper I will def try the things you mentioned. Maybe ill post my second try out. who knows. thanks for everyones help though.
 
You probably don't need the snare mic, especially if you solo it and you're hearing tons of the high hats. The left OH is positioned where it is in the recorderman method so that the snare takes dominance. If you're not getting enough snare then you're hitting the high hats too hard!

Where is your kick mic placed? I'd move that around a bit to get some more low end in it. Sounds pretty good otherwise. And I agree, tuning the snare would help immensely.
 
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