"High Time"

[GONZO-X]

You're stuff is always top notch Rob!
Can't even find anything to nitpick!

cheers

thanks man, that's nice to say.

 

[GONZO-X]

That Melodyne is great isn't it? I'm thinking about upgrading my Sonar Artist to the version that has it. I used to be kind of principally opposed to pitch correction but after three hours of trying to get the perfect take on some stupid little clip...and after my patience is COMPLETELY blown...principle goes out the window. Besides....it's an arbitrary principle anyway.

That's nice guitar work on the lead. Nice tune.

Melodyne?

who said anything about melodyne?

i would never use that crap anyway!!!

LOL

seriously, i'm old school when it comes to performance,
i want to hear it actually done, not tweaked with buttons......


the way i use sonar,
is no different than say, a tape machine..

i do some tweaks to clean up the sound, for sure,
but never correct for anything.

it's just not organic.
and i want organic.

thanks for listening

 

[StuGort]

Each to their own, Gonzo...but I wouldn't call a state of the art piece of editing software designed by a room full of pretty smart people "crap". I've never used this kind of thing in my life but it's pretty remarkable technology....but that's just me marveling at the leaps technology has made since my Tascam Porta One.

I misread the thread. I thought you had listed your signal chain for this tune but it was some other guy's signature.

No worries.

 

[GONZO-X]

yea, i understand what you are talking about...
i mean, you can take someone with almost no actual musical ability, and quantize and edit and pitch correct it all to the point where it sounds like a professional recording...
but there is no glory in it.

 

[d0gmA]

Very polished mix. I love it. I listened to your other tracks and like them a lot I look forward to hearing more

 

[StuGort]

yea, i understand what you are talking about...
i mean, you can take someone with almost no actual musical ability, and quantize and edit and pitch correct it all to the point where it sounds like a professional recording...
but there is no glory in it.

See? That's where you're wrong. The credit goes to the engineer...the ONE guy with a steady job in the music biz.

 

[GONZO-X]

Very polished mix. I love it. I listened to your other tracks and like them a lot I look forward to hearing more

thanks for listening to this one, Dogma......
i'll be posting some more soon...

 

[DM60]

it's just not organic.
and i want organic.

I think you hit it on the head. Organic. If one is looking for an organic sound, not using electronic keyboard, MIDI drums, "real" vocals. This makes 100% sense. And as you stated, you're just moving from a tape world to a digital world, everything else being equal. That should be respected.

I've recorded songs where I've told the group, no edits, everything is real and live. For that session, that was the goal, a real live recording. I only used some compression and EQ as I would outboard equipment, fader riding (automation really) and left it pretty much as honest as possible (Whatever studios had in the 60's). I loved it! I learned a lot in those sessions (like don't put the bass cab on the same side as the snare), drum microphone placement, cab micing, vocal splitting, it was really fun.

That doesn't mean I don't use a full digital world, amp sims, MIDI drums, Melodyne, etc. I do it all the time. But I think people on this board need to understand, each person is trying to achieve their own sound and a particular way of getting there.

I love the recording and wish I could get to that level. Using any and all tricks.

 

[StuGort]

...I think people on this board need to understand, each person is trying to achieve their own sound and a particular way of getting there.

I agree. It's how one defines "organic" and how willfully they cling to that definition. I define "organic" as that which defines the timber and texture of a voice...but I can't enjoy any of that if the performer can't sing on key because I'm sensitive to pitch. People are as varied as the color spectrum and each have their own preferences...which I respect.

 

[GONZO-X]

well,
part of this 'argument' or preference (sounds better), is the difference between say, an artist producing themselves (my situation) versus running a studio and recording other people (i've done this quite a lot too, you wear a different hat)

i'm not putting down melodyne, or any of the processes a mixer or producer must use to make a session work....
that is all legit.

i'm just saying, i don't use that stuff for my own purposes (tho to be fair, i DO write drum parts in Superior Drummer, as well as live drums and percussion)

i'm trying to capture good performances is all, old school, like you did with a tape machine
that's all.

 

[StuGort]

I'm assuming this is a light-hearted discussion and that your soul isn't shriveled and bitter like one of those black peanuts you sometimes find but then you go ahead and taste even though you know better....which is to say I know you were joking initially.

I produce stuff I can't play live....because that requires the practicing of one song to the point of boredom. I don't play music live and never have except for a few occasions. After a piece is recorded, how to play it is generally forgotten. I enjoy stuff a lot of people consider tedious. It takes a geek I suppose... but editing is fun. Shaping and publishing a project to the point of publication...that's a process....an art. So...I'm into that aspect of the music as much as the music itself.

I didn't mean to derail your thread with this.

 

[GONZO-X]

that's cool,
it's a discussion