Hey Dobro, I was all ready to tell you how much your posts made me laugh...

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...but the thread is now mysteriously "closed," lol.

Okay, out of the 2 of us, I'm pretty sure I didn't close it. In fact, I've never even seen that before, lol.

BTW - The trick is that the mixdown has to be the ONLY file in the multitrack...you can't do it with another session open. I just start a new session, "insert wav file" whatever my mix is, and it works like a champ.

More later...but right now, I wanna' know if I get my thread back? :D
 
lol, who closed the thread?

To answer your questions-

Phase- You can select the wav and go to Modify - Invert and it will invert the phase. I think the first menu is Modify but I'm positive the command is Invert (wherever it may actually be).

Sweeping Filters- Huh? I think you are using them correctly for bass cuts and such. If there is a better use than I'd like to know too.

Jitter- I could be a show off and give you my explanation but I'll tell you where I learned about it. www.digido.com Go to their articles section and Bob Katz has written a bunch of great shit on digital recording. Dobro's explanation was pretty good.

Here are some quotes about Jitter-

Jitter is time-base error. It is caused by varying time delays in the circuit paths from component to component in the signal path. The two most common causes of jitter are poorly-designed Phase Locked Loops (PLL's) and waveform distortion due to mismatched impedances and/or reflections in the signal path.

A properly dithered 16-bit recording can have over 120 dB of dynamic range; a D to A converter with a jittery clock can deteriorate the audible dynamic range to 100 dB or less, depending on the severity of the jitter. I have performed listening experiments on purist, audiophile-quality musical source material recorded with a 20-bit accurate A/D converter (dithered to 16 bits within the A/D). The sonic results of passing this signal through processors that truncate the signal at -110, -105, or -96 dB are: increased "grain" in the image, instruments losing their sharp edges and focus; reduced soundstage width; apparent loss of level causing the listener to want to turn up the monitor level, even though high level signals are reproduced at unity gain. Contrary to intuition, you can hear these effects without having to turn up the listening volume beyond normal (illustrating that low-level ambience cues are very important to the quality of reproduction). Similar degradation has been observed when jitter is present. Nevertheless, the loss due to jitter is subtle, and primarily audible with the highest-grade audiophile D/A converters.

Most computer-based digital audio cards have quite high jitter, which makes listening through them a variable experience. It is very difficult to design a computer-based card with a clean clock---due to ground and power contamination and the proximity of other clocks on the computer's motherboard. The listener may leap to a conclusion that a certain DSP-based processor reduces soundstage width and depth, low level resolution, and other symptoms, when in reality the problem is related to a jittery phase-locked loop in the processor input, not to the DSP process itself. Therefore, always make delicate sonic judgments of DSP processors under low jitter conditions, which means placing high-quality jitter reduction units throughout the signal chain, particularly in front of (and within) the D/A converter. Sonic Solutions's new USP system has very low jitter because its clocks are created in isolated and well-designed external I/O boxes.
 
Hey thanks, man. What I'm experiencing (and incorrectly assumed to be "jitter") as the VERY AUDIBLE "jittery" sound of a filtered bottom end of my mix...sounds like a train track, lol...

Now, here's my question on the "invert" deal on a full mix. Assuming that only PARTS of my mix are out of phase, what's gonna' happen to the parts that are in phase when I flip the whole mix by 180 degrees? I would suspect it's gonna' get a helluva lot quieter, lol...like totally silent cancellation in parts, right?

BTW - you're the guy who got me started down this path, lol..."HEY CHRIS, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND POLARITY"... I know you're right, it's just that it gets me off into other areas (like harmonics)...I know you don't have 2.0, or maybe even use this software, lol...but there are all these different methods in the graphic equalizers for doing filtering with 1/3 octaves, etc...but I have no idea why anyone would do this...BUT A YEAR AGO I HAD NO IDEA WHY SOMEBODY WOULD WANNA' COMPRESS SOMETHING, so...you know. :D

Again, thanks.
 
"BTW - The trick is that the mixdown has to be the ONLY file in the multitrack...you can't do it with another session open. I just start a new session, "insert wav file" whatever my mix is, and it works like a champ."

Nah, doesn't work for me. Time for Syntrillium. I'm getting all sorts of weirdness from 2.1 that other people don't seem to get. I bought the boxed set, too, in order to avoid corrupted downloads. Poo.

Tex: that thing you posted about jitter makes me think it's a more serious problem than I thought back in the days when Sjoko was writing about it - I thought he was being a perfectionistic, geeky engineer whose impossibly high standards didn't mean much to a homie like me, but this bothers me:

"Contrary to intuition, you can hear these effects without having to turn up the listening volume beyond normal (illustrating that low-level ambience cues are very important to the quality of reproduction). Similar degradation has been observed when jitter is present. Nevertheless, the loss due to jitter is subtle, and primarily audible with the highest-grade audiophile D/A converters.

Most computer-based digital audio cards have quite high jitter, which makes listening through them a variable experience."

I remember back in the days when I first started buying better gear and the sound I got improved immediately - it was like a light coming on. Now I'm wondering if a really good clock in a breakout box would have similar clarifying effect on my sound. Damn, it's such an expensive experiment to make. I mean, when I bit the bullet and bought an expensive mic and preamp, I *knew* it was worth it before I anted up. But a clock? Dunno...
 
Oh yeah - sorry about locking the other thread. I deleted a post of my own from that thread last night, and somehow managed to lock the thread in the process. I can't even claim I was drunk. The biggest advantage of being a noodlebrain is that you get so used to being a noodlebrain after a while that it seems normal.
 
Chris - okay, I got the frequency splitter working. Man, that is SO COOL. I don't have time to play with it, but presumably you can run any kind of effect on each of the bands, right? If that's the case, you've tipped me to something incredibly useful. I owe you a beer. Nah, I owe you a six-pack. Nah, let's call it a keg and have a party.

I mean, not only can you hear it, you can see it. What a wonderful learning and mixdown tool. Damn!
 
I think the “frequency splitter” is what Shania Twain used to create a country album and a pop album from the same music. Wait; maybe that was a “genre splitter”? :confused:
 
She didn't split nothin'. LOL She dumbed it down. Country's been looking for new ideas for the last 30 years. It's like the Third World. Getting the goodies and losing its soul. It's what happens when farmers move to the city, or get TV, or go online. What made country 'country' was isolation. Remove the isolation, and country becomes... what? Pop!

Pretty girls aren't even interesting when they're singing. They all look the same. Gimme some ugly girl singers who can sing anytime. Now we're talking!
 
I'm glad that worked for you...and the fact that you didn't mention the reason why it wasn't working before tends to make me think that it was one of those "is it plugged in" things, lol. :D :D :D

Definitely try adding FX that way...want reverb tails that don't muddy up a mix? Sure, you could get fancy and EQ the reverb on a bus or something...or you could do something incredibly easy like just run the track of "highs" through it.

YESSSSSS

Erland's got a new tune in the clinic (6-8-03) and I think you'd like it. It's great.
 
chrisharris said:
Now, here's my question on the "invert" deal on a full mix. Assuming that only PARTS of my mix are out of phase, what's gonna' happen to the parts that are in phase when I flip the whole mix by 180 degrees? I would suspect it's gonna' get a helluva lot quieter, lol...like totally silent cancellation in parts, right?

How exactly do you end up with tracks that are only out of phase some of the time? Did you move the mics or something?
 
TexRoadkill said:
How exactly do you end up with tracks that are only out of phase some of the time? Did you move the mics or something?
I heavily EQ'd, compressed, and FX'd a guitar track. On parts of it, I used a linear phase (or anti-phase) multiband compressor, and on other parts, I used the good old reliable C4. Apparently, I have proven that it's totally possible to smear ONLY PARTS of a track.

I think I'll just start over, lol.
 
Chris, Are you the kinda guy who goes and buys a new Sawzall and then immediately goes around cutting big holes in everything? I had a friends like that. He had a plastic covered 'bay window' for about 6 months and a new exterior door 'hole' into the kitchen for a year.

You guys use tools I've never heard of to fix problems I've never experienced, lol.
 
TexRoadkill said:
Chris, Are you the kinda guy who goes and buys a new Sawzall and then immediately goes around cutting big holes in everything? I had a friends like that. He had a plastic covered 'bay window' for about 6 months and a new exterior door 'hole' into the kitchen for a year.

You guys use tools I've never heard of to fix problems I've never experienced, lol.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahah....

Yes, actually...I am.

Now go to the clinic and look at THIS thread and show everybody what a complete badass you are, okay?

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=797112#post797112

:D
-The Self-Promoter
 
"You guys use tools I've never heard of to fix problems I've never experienced, lol."

ROFLMAO :D :D :D

Nah, only Chris is like that. The rest of us just track, EQ, effect and compress. :D
 
As much as I would love to mix your song for free ;) My high dollar fancy setup is incapable of importing .wav files right now :eek:

I have to upgrade my Radar software to the latest version that added .wav import. Then I also have to get a CDRom drive or setup the network FTP to my internet computer. I should have done all that ages ago but what can I say, I'm a lazy s.o.b.

For now I am an island unto myself. I prefer that my recording rig be a reflection of my emotional self.
 
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