Help with planning first setup

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[EDIT: Apparently I can't provide the links to MF that I wanted to, so I removed those. Anything I mentioned should be a breeze to look up on their site if necessary. I put prices in place of the links for those of you who just want to see that.]

Hey all,

I've been doing some recording of my vocals and my guitar playing (pretty good at the former, not so much at the latter) with a really terrible microphone that I just found lying around (I think it came with a pair of gaming headphones I bought a while back). I've done quite a bit of audio work in the past (mostly live), and I am very interested in getting a halfway decent recording setup. I put this thread in this forum since I'm going to be asking about a number of different things, so it doesn't really fit anywhere...

I spent a couple days browsing around and reading reviews, and I think I've come to some sort of decision as to what I want to buy when I have the money (it's gonna be a couple months until I get my signing bonus from my summer job). I'm renting a spare bedroom from a friend over the summer, to I'm trying to get a setup that won't take up too much room, or will hide away in a closet nicely until I need it. I don't anticipate a whole lot of extraneous noise where I'll be set up.

So, here is what I was thinking (I've provided links to MF not because I'm definitely buying from them, but because it's convenient, especially since they give me a good centralized place to put a wishlist). FYI, I'm planning on recording a lot of a capella stuff or stuff with very light instrumentals (I've been working on recording my own version of Imogen Heap's Hide and Seek, which is going great so far, considering my lack of good equipment). My voice is Baritone-Tenor, with either a dark or mellow sound (I've been told I have a country voice... I prefer to think folk rock since I don't like country).

Microphone:
CAD e300 -- This would basically be for vocals, I suppose I could record guitar with it. I really like the fact that I can change the pickup pattern with this microphone.
$299.99

Interface:
Mbox 2 or Mbox 2 Pro -- I did a lot of research, and I think having Pro Tools bundled with my interface would give me a huge step up. I was originally thinking of the mini, but if I ever want to use 2 mics simultaneously, I'm sure I'll wished I bought one of the higher models. The primary reason I was thinking of the pro above jus tthe plain Mbox 2 is that it has a firewire interface; I read that the firewire interface gives you the option for low-latency monitoring, does this actually make that big of a difference when layering vocals or is there another way around that problem (right now, I'm recording with a terrible mic in Audacity, and Audacity shifts my recording back by a certain amount after I'm done to make up for the latency, and that works beautifully)? I also found a bundle that might help me out with some of the random things I need, and at this point, is the only way I'd be buying monitors.
Mbox 2: $449.00
Mbox 2 Pro: $699.00
Mbox 2 Bundle (Mbox 2, 2x PM0.4 Monitors, AT2020, some cables and a mic stand): $599.99

Preamp (maybe):
ART Tube PAC -- I know that the Mbox units all have preamps in them, but is that preamp god quality or am I better off feeding the mic(s) through a dedicated preamp then through to the Mbox? I found this one to be highly recommended.
$99.99

Headphones:
I have no idea.... Anyone have any recommendations for a set of headphones for under $100 that will do me well both as a playback/recording monitor while I'm singing, and later to do my mixing on (I know I'm not supposed to mix on headphones, but I don't think a set of monitors is the best option for my setup, considering I'm renting a room from someone).


Thanks much.
 
I'm not a digi/protools fan... For the price of that 2 channel mbox, you can get an 8 channel motu or firepod or something, pretty much all of which include a version of Cubase LE. LE can be patched to record all 8 channels at once. If you KNOW 2 is the most you'll ever need, a USB mixer is a lot more functional, you can get like an Alesis Multimix 8 for $150 brand new.

Nice mic, no problem there..

IDK about that particular pre, the M-Audio DMP3 is a killer pre for the price. $160 or so, 2 channels, very nice sound. The ART tube pre's are starved plate design, meaning the tube is getting waaay less than optimal voltage. If you watch one in action, the tube is barely glowing at all. The tube is only there to make it more marketable.. The DMP3 doesn't have a built in compressor, but I wouldn't use the art compressor anyway, because plugins are far better than any low end hardware compressor.

For headphones, I highly recommend AKG K240's. I like em so much I got 2 pairs of em. They're light and comfortable, you can wear em for hours. Sennheiser HD-280's are another favorite around here, never tried em myself tho..
 
Ok, well sounds like the ART is out if I can get much better for not much more. Will I definitely need a separate preamp even if I get an interface with one built in or will the interface's preamp probably be good enough quality not to make me wish I had a dedicated pre?

It looks to me like there's a big debate going on about whether protoools is the best option or not, so I'll reserve jugment on that while keeping an open mind (I don't get my singing bonus for another couple months, so I have time to decide).

Also, does anyone know what the practical difference is between using a usb vs a firewire interface? I know the technical differences, but I don't know how exactly the software/hardware handles those differences. (i.e. Is it something I won't really notice in practice even when trying to record several tracks, one at a time, on top of each other, or should I really think about spending the extra money up front?)

Thanks for the reccomendation on the headphones, the HD-280s look promising (the K240's look nice too, but they're a decent bit more expensive, and, though it may not look like it, I'm trying to keep the price to a minimum without buying stuff I'll want to replace in a couple years).

Also, is there anything I'm obviously missing from my list (besides obvious minor hardware like stands, cables, etc.)?
 
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