Sky Blue Lou
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Fail.
You really do need to stop posting. I find it hard to believe you actually work on guitars for people. Stop now.
lou
Victory Pete
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muttley600
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Victory Pete
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...and here is what you need to chuck in that bucket to make them good again.
You do have a sense of humor, maybe.
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Victory Pete
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I was thinking of getting one of those chaulk dispensers you see in pool halls, not the little cube but the ones that are mounted on the wall with the big block of chaulk to rub your hands on.
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Brian Oshman
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This ain't gunna happen with any regular use. The only way that the string will get brittle is if the temper is changed and that would require heating it to a cherry red and quenching it in water. A 100ºF temperature difference that the average area seasonally goes through is not going to affect the molecular structure of metal. Metal stretches under tension and will always drop in pitch over time under tension.
I have 13 guitars all of various ages and types, solids, hollows, acoustics, 12 string, bass, and one of them is almost 50 years old and they all have straight necks and I store them under full tension as that is how the instrument was designed to be, under tension with strings on it at all times, in normal humidity, in cases, standing up, with the front of the guitars facing the wall leaning.
The slight reverse tension it applies on the neck from the natural weight of the guitar tend to counteract the forward tension of the strings and create a balance. I don't know if that helps or not but I have always done that and they have never warped. Leaning it the other way will add more tension in the same direction that the strings are pulling as I see it causing it to eventually warp so counteracting that tension even if a little bit tends to help.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
man ...... I will tell you where I'm coming from so you'll at least know what frames my response.
I've been playing fulltime at least 5 nights a week since 1969 ...... I've played somewhere around 13,000 gigs. During all that time I've also worked on guitars and pianos at the music stores I worked at.
I worked for a luthier for a number of years and have owned and played hundreds of guitars. I'm the most music and equipment obsessive musician you'll ever meet and I'm really good at what I do and there's NO chance that you or anyone else has noticed anything about how strings feel or if they get stiffer that I wouldn't notice.
When you come up with interesting ideas about why things happen that's one thing.
But your insistence on never acknowledging that you could be mistaken about ANYTHING is just too much. Especially since you are wrong about almost everything.
Sorry .... but add me to the list of people that will warn newbies to disregard you. A truly smart or knowledgable tech in any industry will always be open to being corrected and learning new stuff. That's how you get good in the first place.
Clearly you're not willing to hear anything that doesn't agree with you which is probably why why you have such wildly inaccurate ideas.
And please ..... your tales of constantly having to adjust truss rods doesn't conform to the experiences of oh, say any other good musician on the face of the Earth.
Sure ..... you can impress the little local kids and pretend to yourself that you're a hot shit tech. But here you have some guys that know .... not just think but KNOW their shit.
I'm one of them and Muttley and Light know a lot more than me. And we even disagree with each other sometimes ...... but it doesn't get into pissing matches.
I'm sorry but I have indeed seen you come up with stuff that I know for sure isn't the case although I'll have to admit ...... I'm curious about the talc. I may try it on something sometime just for the hell of it.
But you're wrong on many things .... and it's not an opinion .... it's a fact. The stuff you're proposing about strings simply isn't the case because by basic physics it's freakin' IMPOSSIBLE!!
So when you can refute physics and materials science please let us know. I'll be the first to be amazed.
But 'till then ..... no one should do anything you suggest other than be amused and a little tolerant of the slow kid.
Victory Pete
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I have witnessed over and over, old copper wire that has become stiffer and more brittle with time. I understand "work hardening" And the effect of high heat can change a metal, but copper wire that has simply been wrapped around a terminal in an old house is always stiffer than brand new wire. It is so stiff it is harder to work with and it frequently breaks. I have a Master Electricians liscense, and have a side business here that my partner runs.
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lbanks
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Hey! Stop all that dancing up there! Now, back to the at-hand; be lazy like me and take in to a good set-up man. While you're at it, get some new strings and pick me up a newspaper.
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
VP, I have been defending your right to express your view.
However, your ideas are in contradiction to the wisdom of many fine, experienced and knowledgeable handlers of guitars.
Your continued obsessiveness with a particular idea is not doing you any good, and you are chewing at a rabbit that's been long dead. There is a time to back off, and it's long past.
Give it a rest, huh?
Victory Pete
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Okay, I just like to defend my opinions and experiences. I will be fine with what I know, I dont have to convince anyone but myself.
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Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
thats the spirit! your right you dont have to convince anyone but yourself. so, in the words of ron white "next time you have a thought.... just let it go".
seacrest - out.
legionserial
New member
You what now?
You're saying that the pitch of the string will change when the tension hasn't?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaa............
getuhgrip
Bring Back Transfat!
Oh yeah, but what about little things like tensile compression, oxidization, and nitrogyn imbrittlement? 
Are we saying that fatty acids deposited on strings from our fingers do not corrode string face at less than molecular level? Does this corrosion event not weaken the string to a point of greater flexibility?
Disclaimer: for VP only!
I recycle all my srtings (guitar and bass) with a teflon-based lubricant after surface rust removal. The teflon impregnates the steel (or chrome, or copper), filling in pockets of imbrittlement. The surface coating obviously revitalizes playability.
"It's alive...it's alive!"
Are we saying that fatty acids deposited on strings from our fingers do not corrode string face at less than molecular level? Does this corrosion event not weaken the string to a point of greater flexibility?
Disclaimer: for VP only!
I recycle all my srtings (guitar and bass) with a teflon-based lubricant after surface rust removal. The teflon impregnates the steel (or chrome, or copper), filling in pockets of imbrittlement. The surface coating obviously revitalizes playability.
"It's alive...it's alive!"
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
News Flash! Copper is a different metal from steel and has different properties!
Sure, copper wire gets brittle with flexing. I'll bet that's why it's not used to make guitar strings. Every electrician is aware of that characteristic, and fixtures and junctions are designed accordingly.
Steel reacts differently. Constant tuning and detuning stretches the wire out, and it loses tensile strength, which affects its stability when tuning, which means that, at any given fret, a worn out string will note flatter than a fresh string, given the same tension and mass (construction and gauge, mostly). You may have heard of the British Comet -- the first commercial jetliner -- that mysteriously crashed at awkward moments (as when crossing the Atlantic Ocean). Investigation established that the wing roots were constantly flexing, causing what's commonly called metal fatigue.
If metal reacted by becoming stiffer, the Comet would still be flying.
So don't detune your strings when you put your instrument away -- you may be contributing to a future tragedy, especially if you use it for ocean crossings.
Sure, copper wire gets brittle with flexing. I'll bet that's why it's not used to make guitar strings. Every electrician is aware of that characteristic, and fixtures and junctions are designed accordingly.
Steel reacts differently. Constant tuning and detuning stretches the wire out, and it loses tensile strength, which affects its stability when tuning, which means that, at any given fret, a worn out string will note flatter than a fresh string, given the same tension and mass (construction and gauge, mostly). You may have heard of the British Comet -- the first commercial jetliner -- that mysteriously crashed at awkward moments (as when crossing the Atlantic Ocean). Investigation established that the wing roots were constantly flexing, causing what's commonly called metal fatigue.
If metal reacted by becoming stiffer, the Comet would still be flying.
So don't detune your strings when you put your instrument away -- you may be contributing to a future tragedy, especially if you use it for ocean crossings.
Victory Pete
Banned
Oh yeah, but what about little things like tensile compression, oxidization, and nitrogyn imbrittlement?
Are we saying that fatty acids deposited on strings from our fingers do not corrode string face at less than molecular level? Does this corrosion event not weaken the string to a point of greater flexibility?
Disclaimer: for VP only!
I recycle all my srtings (guitar and bass) with a teflon-based lubricant after surface rust removal. The teflon impregnates the steel (or chrome, or copper), filling in pockets of imbrittlement. The surface coating obviously revitalizes playability.
"It's alive...it's alive!"
I dont recycle strings to be used on a guitar again, I recycle them at a metals recycling facility.
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Victory Pete
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Copper is used in acoustic strings. Many elements are used in guitar strings. The only strings that are just steel are the plain steel strings. Isnt metal fatigue caused by Work Hardening which makes the metal brittle and weak?
Just a thought.
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