help please! alesis sample pad midi (out) to alesis dm pro midi (in) and nothing....

[contortion13]

Hello and thank you all in advance. First off im a total noob, mostly use acoustic drums but recently bought an alesis dm pro just to trigger my bass drum, which has worked great, my problem is I have an alesis sample pad (new one) which has four pads and I have two song intros and one pad is just an 808 (boom) sound. Im trying to play the sound from the sample pad thru the alesis dm pro via the midi out on the sample pad to the midi in on the dm pro. When I do this and hit one of the pads on the sample pad, the dm pro plays one of its own sounds and not the sound I programmed to the sample pad.....I've racked my brain trying to remedy this issue but im at the point where id like to just throw em both out the window.....with the window closed. Please help. Thank you...sorry for the long winded post.

 

[Armistice]

I'm really not a MIDI person and I'm guessing a bit here but ....

1. There's no audio information in MIDI

2.If you want the sample pad to play its own sound, don't you achieve that by just hitting the sample pad? Why connect it to a drum module at all? Isn't the point of a drum module to play the sounds in the drum module? If you're triggering a kick drum sound in the drum module from an acoustic kick drum then that's a drum module sound, right?

3. If you go out of the sample pad and into the drum module, the drum module is playing its own sounds because that's what you're telling it to do - it receives an instruction from the sample pad (because that's all that MIDI is) to play something, and it does. By which mechanism are you imagining that it can play the sample pad sound? I'd say if you wanted it to do that (and again, why do you need the drum module for this exercise?) you'd have to have cables going both ways, or just the other way, so it can send an instruction back saying "Play the sample pad sound" - I presume that's how it works... ultimately I'm assuming that you're trying to trigger your sample pad 808 sound from your kick drum, correct? You haven't actually said that anywhere.

And can't you just load the 808 sample from the sample pad into the module anyway?

Someone who knows a lot more than I do about MIDI might come along and correct my thinking...

 

[contortion13]

TE=Armistice;4296260]I'm really not a MIDI person and I'm guessing a bit here but ....

1. There's no audio information in MIDI

2.If you want the sample pad to play its own sound, don't you achieve that by just hitting the sample pad? Why connect it to a drum module at all? Isn't the point of a drum module to play the sounds in the drum module? If you're triggering a kick drum sound in the drum module from an acoustic kick drum then that's a drum module sound, right?

3. If you go out of the sample pad and into the drum module, the drum module is playing its own sounds because that's what you're telling it to do - it receives an instruction from the sample pad (because that's all that MIDI is) to play something, and it does. By which mechanism are you imagining that it can play the sample pad sound? I'd say if you wanted it to do that (and again, why do you need the drum module for this exercise?) you'd have to have cables going both ways, or just the other way, so it can send an instruction back saying "Play the sample pad sound" - I presume that's how it works... ultimately I'm assuming that you're trying to trigger your sample pad 808 sound from your kick drum, correct? You haven't actually said that anywhere.

And can't you just load the 808 sample from the sample pad into the module anyway?

Someone who knows a lot more than I do about MIDI might come along and correct my thinking...[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the response and yes im aware that the sample pad could be used by itself. The problem is my bass drum sound comes from the module which has an expansion card (more memory) but not enough to program the two intros I have which is why im trying to use both the pad and the module at the same time. The reason I dont plug them in separately is because most of the time when I play there's only one d.I. box (direct in) running to the house system, so I have to use one or the other. I figured if I ran them in a series that would eliminate the issue. But since there's no audio information in midi then obviously ive started at the wrong starting point. And im sure there's an 808 boom sound on the module but I cant find it if there is one. As old as the dm pro is its really out of my range as far as figuring it.out. I was lucky enough just to get my bass drum sound dialed in and even that required much reading and phrases I still dont understand.

 

[witzendoz]

Total guess as I have not used a sample pad, You need to set the midi channels t the same, usually channel 10 for drums (midi standard) then you have to assign the pad to the note that plays the drum sound you want in the drum machine.

Alan.

 

[contortion13]

Total guess as I have not used a sample pad, You need to set the midi channels t the same, usually channel 10 for drums (midi standard) then you have to assign the pad to the note that plays the drum soundness want in the drum machine.

Alan.

Thank you, but the sample pad has two song intros and an 808 boom sound ive uploaded to it because I cant upload those to the dm pro, so what im trying to do is just run the pad "thru" the dm pro module (which I use to trigger my bass drum) and into the p.a. and still get the sounds and intros ive uploaded on the pad to play. Basically I need both the sample pad and the module to run into tge same p.a. unit so im trying to use the module as just a bridge to get my samples to the p.a. while im using the dm pro module at the same time. Lol. I hope that made sense.....im not sure it does to me anymore.