Help! Oktava mc012 help needed!

[h kuhn]

wow that drummer IS wild, thats a good little tune right there. thats EXACTLY the sound i'm looking for right there, is that one or two mc012s??

and as for renting a mackie, where could i do this? that sounds pretty good to me...

It's two mc012 as stereo-pair in ortf (read the "microphone thread" if you don't understand what this means, or no, read it anyway, it s incredible, http://www.angelfire.com/trek/tekker/homepage.html)
But as i said before, I would use only one mc012 the next time, the recording does sound a bit too "ECMish", if you know what i mean. I was using an earthworks sro on the bass, but i am shure the cheapo behringer everybody is is talking about would also work very well. On the horn i used a beyer ribbon, the m500. I wanted it very bright, its film music and the director wanted a chet baker sound, so i used the flügelhorn and made it sound almost as a trumpet. We used gobos to insulate the trumpet from the rest, and i used a touch of compression on every channel (software).
As for renting the mackie, i don't know where you live, but normally there are stores that rent equipment for live gigs (PAs), they should have a small mackie board (1202, 1402, 1604 vlz, or even the crx-series would work)
good luck
Harald
PS i was hoping that harvey would jump in, he is the one who actually did this kind of recordings in the 50s if i remember right.

 

[Randy Yell]

If you do decide to get a cheap preamp check out the M-Audio audio buddy.Its two channel,solid statew/phantom power and its very quiet and it sells for $79.

I have an Art tube MP and I don't like it at all,its very noisy(compared to the Audio Buddy).I think of the MP as more of an effect.also the Art is a single channel.

 

[ja_]

thanks, i'll look into that audio buddy.

what do you guys think of this pre right here?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...0155025327/search/g=home/detail/base_id/38243

i'll read all that stuff when i have a little more time today kuhn, but it looks like its a wealth of great info. good lookin out on that.

 

[charger]

That's not a preamp. Go with the ART Tube MP. It's about as cheap as you'll get.

 

[h kuhn]

i don't like the art either. It makes a good bass di-box, and that's it. Very noisy and not transparent at all, it is more like an effect box than a pre. Check out the audio buddy, the dmp2 or dmp3 (all from m-audio) or maybe a behringer ultragain pro, but they aren't made anymore (i was actually switching to one of them after the daking died). Even 80$ is too much for a "pre" like the art...you won't be very happy with it for your aplication.
Harald

 

[ja_]

ah, well if all i need is the phantom power will the rolls do me justice?

 

[h kuhn]

thanks, i'll look into that audio buddy.

what do you guys think of this pre right here?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...0155025327/search/g=home/detail/base_id/38243

i'll read all that stuff when i have a little more time today kuhn, but it looks like its a wealth of great info. good lookin out on that.

check this, its 2 channels of fine quality for almost nothing, you might need the pad for the octava though (the dmp3 has a lot of gain and the lowest you will get is about 30dB when i remember right, maybe too much if you put it in front of a drumset)
Harald
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...0155025327/search/g=home/detail/base_id/59730

 

[ja_]

heres one more thought, is the mc012 REALLY leaps and bounds better than the berhinger ECM8000? if i took this back and grabbed that berginer instead, i'd be able to afford a much nicer pre amp....

 

[ja_]

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anyone have any thoughts on that berhinger?

 

[h kuhn]

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anyone have any thoughts on that berhinger?

measurement microphones normally have a very flat frequency response and sound rather realistic, and they are omnis. I don't know the behringer, but i have the sro, which is a very similar mic (yet a bit more expensive). I wouldn't use it as main mic for this kind of sound, but i recorded a string quartett and classical guitar with it, and there it sounded great (because it didn't add any sound of itself). The sound you know from the 50s blue note records is a sound with lots of coloration, I am sure that here the octava is the better choice. But YMMV.
To be honest, if you spent less than 500 bucks on the mic and the pre together it will never sound very satisfying (and this is incredibly cheap already). I can only recommend you: rent good equipment before you buy trash. Or be pacient and save a little longer, you wont regret buying quality.

 

[ja_]

yeah, this is what i figured. thanks a million h kuhn. are you going to put the rest of that track up sometime? i'd love to hear the rest of it. i'm in love with the sound you got there as well. is this something you do for a living, or just for fun?

 

[Rod]

Again, I recommend the PZM.. I guess no one takes this seriously huh? Oh well... You can get the same sound as that mp3 file with 2 of these babies, or MONO with one... And you wouldn't have to RENT something..... To each their own.....

 

[h kuhn]

Again, I recommend the PZM.. I guess no one takes this seriously huh? Oh well... You can get the same sound as that mp3 file with 2 of these babies, or MONO with one... And you wouldn't have to RENT something..... To each their own.....

I am interested in these pzms, I have heard good things of those for guitar and horns. I want to try these, for shure. What i wonder is how do you record a drum set with those, especially when the ceiling is so high that you cant reach it even with a ladder? I guess that you get severe problems with low frequ. rumble when you try to put it on the floor in front of the set.
How much do the crowns cost new?
peace
Harald