Help from some of the experts...you know who you are...I will be in ur debt 4eva

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Hey,

I am having a problem with my mixing with an R&B/Pop tune...I have
about 7 or so tracks going on my Sonar. The beat and piano are in
stereo and the rest are in mono....My mix sounds great how it's
placed, but when I go to export the audio, I can barely hear the
baseline or other background vocals....I don't want to EQ it to death
( I am a beginner working on my 1st recording and weary of EQ,
Reverb, and
Dessers/limiters..etc)...but I am afraid that I didn't properly EQ,
even though I followed guidelines in several books ( Modern Recording
Techniques, Home Recording for Dummies, The S.M.A.R.T. Guides..etc..)

Being that my mix sounds great and all the vocals (even lead and
background) are in mono, you would figure there would be no
problems...Is it how I have it routed perhaps?or panning or EQ?

Just to share more in-depth:

I made my beat in Kinetics, but it's full audio is my 1st track. I
have a Desser, Verb,Para-Q with it's out routed to my main
output...not a bus

TRACKS 2-5 ARE IN MONO
ONLY AUDIO AND PIANO ARE IN STEREO
All the buses, including master & reverb are in stereo

Track 2: Lead Vocal, also leading (routed) to the main output with no
bus....with a flanger, desser, limiter, verb, Graphic-Q, as well as
band eq..Panned in the Center

Track 3: Background Vocal (high end with some alto) leading to a send
that goes to it's own bus. This bus routes to a Reverb bus that I
have made for all my vocals...The Reverb bus is routed into the
Master which routes to the main output...Eq is on this track...Panned
25% R with bus 50% L

Track 4: Bass Background vocal...This track is sent to it's own "bass
bus" that it routed to the reverb routed to the master (like
Track3)..There is eq in the bus not track for this vocal...Also in
the bus is a delay...Panned 35% L with Bus 50% R

Track 5: Ad lib vocal....Track is send to it's own Adlib bus which is
routed to the reverb bus routed to the master and out....In the bus
is the EQ and Limiter (only way that I could get it to push up to
match the others)..Panned 20% L with Bus 30%R...This track is what I
wish to hear more of in the mixdown .wav

Track 6: "Ending Adlib"..the stronger parts of adlib that produces
that powerful diva sound at the end of the song...For some reason I
was able to send it to the Adlib bus, yet route it to a 5th bus
that's routed to reverb bus (goes to master and out)...No need for EQ
as this was very powerful when listening to the mixdown....Panned
Center...THIS TRACK IS ALSO PHASED


Track 7: Piano fillins from Midi that I converted to audio...No
problems with this...panned down the Center

Oh yeah, Also in my master I have vintage channel (desser) and a
limiter...And...I have Automation for all vocal tracks

Basically, everything sounds okay...ONLY...I wish for the Adlib,
bass, and other background vocals to come out more as the Lead drowns
it out....I don't know if it's my routing, panning, EQ/other
plugins...but I am begging for someone who has the least clue of what
I am babbling about to help me. I am unexperienced looking through
about 10 books and DVDS, including Scott's Sonar 6 Power!....and I am
totally confused...I know that there are different ways to do things,
but I don't quite understand routing and certain parts of
mixing....Hell my knees shake thinking about MASTERING...I also would
be more than happy to share my EQ #'s and info...

If anyone wishes to hear this song to see and get a feel of where I
am coming from, then I would be more than willing to send it
privately, as well as offer financial assistance for the trouble of
helping me out...My main objective though is to LEARN, not have
someone do my mixing...

Thanks so much to anyone who can help me.....
I also apologize about such a lengthy message, but I wanted to "sort
of" explain what kind of mess that I have gotten myself into


Alexsandria
 
You sure you don't just want to know the best mic for rap for less than a hundo?

:D

In my world, what comes out of the monitors is what ultimately gets rendered. If what gets rendered is in any way different than what you hear while mixing ... then something is pretty seriously f'ed up, and it might be time to change the software you're using.

At least for me and in my world ... that would pretty much be the bare-minimum requirement that I would ask of my software, if nothing else. Hear this right here? Render it.

Sorry I can't be of more help. I would highly recommend either going to a Sonar forum, or perhaps trying to simplify things a bit; you seem to be using an awful lot of buses, plugins, etc. Perhaps you could simplify things by making some stereo submixes (i.e. try submixing your background tracks, etc) with effects, and ditch all the busing - at least for now, and see if that makes a difference.

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I don't have time to read all of that bullshit, but how about this:

Create a stereo buss called "master" (or use the one that's already there) and make sure that all of your tracks, busses, etc, are all ultimately routed to it and nowhere else.
When you mix down, use only that master buss as your source.
 
R&b

In R&B as well as hiphop mixing intels a large use of compression. I did,nt see once where mention any compression on you vocal tracks. Also get rit of all those buss mix's, mabe on the music tracks but not all of the vocal tracks as well. on your lead vocal tracks run that down as stero, and mono on all the rest.But make sure that you use comprssion and a desser on all of your voal tracks, pan left and right on your seperate ab-lib tracks and EQ to yust sweeten your vocals a little.
 
More confused than ever

I was wondering if I had too many buses going on....I could use a lesson in properly routing....
If you wish to hear this mix, please email me at mystickalskyies@hotmail.com
:):):p:p:o:o:):)
I dunno why you mentioned something about my mic, my mic is not the problem...It totally not my Sonar 6 program....:confused:

Someone mentioned a phasing or routing problem....seems like you are saying it's a routing problem...now to learn to make submixes...do I still keep all the buses?:confused:


chessrock said:
You sure you don't just want to know the best mic for rap for less than a hundo?

:D

In my world, what comes out of the monitors is what ultimately gets rendered. If what gets rendered is in any way different than what you hear while mixing ... then something is pretty seriously f'ed up, and it might be time to change the software you're using.

At least for me and in my world ... that would pretty much be the bare-minimum requirement that I would ask of my software, if nothing else. Hear this right here? Render it.

Sorry I can't be of more help. I would highly recommend either going to a Sonar forum, or perhaps trying to simplify things a bit; you seem to be using an awful lot of buses, plugins, etc. Perhaps you could simplify things by making some stereo submixes (i.e. try submixing your background tracks, etc) with effects, and ditch all the busing - at least for now, and see if that makes a difference.

.
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Thanks for being so rude

Listen...since you want to be rude and call my detailed info BULLSHIT moron...you would have read in there that I have a master bus...all my tracks are routed to the master bus...

Instead of calling my shit bullshit, hwo about you read it....if you were really trying to help then you would certainly see where I am getting at

metalhead28 said:
I don't have time to read all of that bullshit, but how about this:

Create a stereo buss called "master" (or use the one that's already there) and make sure that all of your tracks, busses, etc, are all ultimately routed to it and nowhere else.
When you mix down, use only that master buss as your source.
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Thanks 8Bus

Thanks for your message 8bus....

Yes I did forget to mention that because I had such a lengthy email in the first place.
I have my leadvocal in mono (sounds good in stereo too) going straight to the interface output (not master). I dunno if that's a problem...I have compression in the tracks...

Hmm..maybe I should make the leadvocal stereo...

There is compression in the master for all the background vocals...These compressions have dessers built in...
I have individual buses for the individual background tracks...I also have a reverb bus , in where all the bus' are routed into...and the reverb is routed into the master...

I hope you can get what I am saying..
Oh yeah, I also have my buses and tracks panned...
I did mention the exact mix and how it is in that long ass email...


8bus said:
In R&B as well as hiphop mixing intels a large use of compression. I did,nt see once where mention any compression on you vocal tracks. Also get rit of all those buss mix's, mabe on the music tracks but not all of the vocal tracks as well. on your lead vocal tracks run that down as stero, and mono on all the rest.But make sure that you use comprssion and a desser on all of your voal tracks, pan left and right on your seperate ab-lib tracks and EQ to yust sweeten your vocals a little.
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More indepth

Also,

I must mention that the mix sounds good until I bounce tracks/final mixdown into one track....when I play the .wav fil it sounds better in mono than in stereo....


and all the bus' are stereo...

not sure if that helps
 
Sexylexis said:
I don't mean to be rude as I noticed that the guy is a long time member and I am newbie...

but you can't just disrespect people like that
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Nah, you got the right to stick up yourself. I ain't taking sides. :)

But I know Metalhead. I'm sure he meant no disrespect. He's one of the coolest and most helpful guys around here. He just likes to cut the fat and get to the meat.

Stick around here for a while. You'll learn alot and develop a thick skin (though you don't seem to be no shrinking violet). :)
 
Well I apologize and want not trouble MetalHead...

In fact, his msg was more confusing than helping at the moment....
I dont wish to mess up the mix anymore than it is....


RAMI said:
Nah, you got the right to stick up yourself. I ain't taking sides. :)

But I know Metalhead. I'm sure he meant no disrespect. He's one of the coolest and most helpful guys around here. He just likes to cut the fat and get to the meat.

Stick around here for a while. You'll learn alot and develop a thick skin (though you don't seem to be no shrinking violet). :)
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How are you doing the final 2 ch mix in Sonar? If you use the Export command in the File menu and choose the Master bus as the source, you should get an output file that sounds just like what you hear in the monitors. Be sure to select all (Ctrl-A) before exporting to make sure the entire song is rendered during export.

If the exported file doesn't sound like what you hear in the monitors, double check that all of your tracks are getting routed to the Master bus, either directly or through one of the other busses. The only track or buss that should be routed to your interface outputs should be the Master bus itself.
 
acegunn said:
How are you doing the final 2 ch mix in Sonar? If you use the Export command in the File menu and choose the Master bus as the source, you should get an output file that sounds just like what you hear in the monitors. Be sure to select all (Ctrl-A) before exporting to make sure the entire song is rendered during export.
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Yup. What you hear should be what is rendered. Period. If it's not, then something is really wrong.

By the way ... if you want to survive around these parts, you're going to have to have a thicker skin. You're going to hear a lot worse around here. Usually from the likes of myself, but then I happen to be in a good mood, so you lucked out there.

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Try bouncing the beat out of kinetic track by track in mono. Not a stereo mixdown. Remove all those buses except for a main out. Setup any effects like reverbs and delays on auxillery or fx sends; i'm not sure what sonar calls it. Use the inserts to apply compression, eq.
 
Hmmm..Okay...

Has anyone listened to the mix that I linked to?
 
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