Help for Home recording cables

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me and my friends are in a small band and have started to do some home recording. The gear we have is 16 input mixer, 4 dynamics, 1 condenser, 2 shotgun (used on drums), 5 drum mics, 2 guit, 1 bass. We are not short for cash but also need new cables. We would like for the drum set to make a 20-25 foot snake. This would free up the cables we need. This is my main question. I have what i believe to be 20 or 22 gauge speaker wire. I am wondering if i run 8 septate lines and then a single ground (green wire)that will split at the ends of the snake to go to each input and each output. My concerns are can I use the speaker wire without problems? And can i use a single ground? By problems i mean interference. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.:confused:
 
No you can't use speaker wire.

When you are dealing with signals from mikes, they are very low level. You need to use shielded cable to prevent external noise being picked up. Unshielded speaker cable is like a giant radio antenna . . . it will pick up every straight bit of electronic noise around the place and swamp the low level mike signal.
 
No you can't use speaker wire.

When you are dealing with signals from mikes, they are very low level. You need to use shielded cable to prevent external noise being picked up. Unshielded speaker cable is like a giant radio antenna . . . it will pick up every straight bit of electronic noise around the place and swamp the low level mike signal.

Would there be any way to shield the wire.
 
Well . . . you could always get some very fine wire and braid it around the speaker cable. Put, practically, the answer is no.

You will find it easier and cheaper to buy shielded cable.
 
Foil Tape?? Used as a shield?? Most likly 2 -3 layers with duct tape in between.......Could it work??
 
Tedious as hell, but yes it would work. Leave out the duct tape, though. As long as your speaker wires are insulated, you don't need it. One layer is enough as long as there are no breaks/gaps in it. If you do go with multiple layers so as to make sure there are no gaps, put them right on top of each other. The whole idea is to create a single continuous conductive layer. Any outside interference will couple with this layer and not with your signal lines. Also, to ensure success you'd want the foil around each pair of conductors, one "plus", one "minus" per channel. In other words, generally no go on the "single ground wire" idea.

Theoretically, I guess, as far as outside interference goes, you COULD go with a common return (what you called a "ground wire") with a single shield around the entire snake. The the common return would need to be inside the shield, of course. This would prevent outside interference, but I think you may get unacceptable levels of cross talk between the channels as the signal wires couple (interfere) with each other. Then again you may not, I don't know for sure. I think you WOULD probably get cross talk, but if you're ONLY going to use this snake for micing a drum kit, you're going to have some cross talk anyway, from all the mics being live and not isolated, so maybe that's ok.

Final two thoughts:
1 - I am NOT recommending this per se, and offer no guarantees it would work, only the above comments as to what i THINK.
2 - If you do try it, be sure to post back how you make out, as I'd be really curious to know :)

J

PS - this may be really obvious, or you may already know, but the shield is the reason mic connectors have three pins: One for th "plus" signal), one for "minus" signal, and one for the shield. This would be called a balanced cable. With an unbalanced shielded cable, the shield has to do double duty, acting as a shield and as a signal conductor. If the electronics are designed for this, it theoretically will work just fine. Most mic preamps however expect a separate shield conductor so doubling them up can cause problems in many situations. Plain speaker wire is an unshielded cable. The conductors run side by side, so there is no shielding effect at all.
 
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