help choosing pre amps

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Hi I was wondering if anybody could recomend a cheap preamp maybe under 100$ all together. My current set up is Pro Tools 7, Fire wire 410 interface and then some shitty shure mics that are soon to be replaced. This is my first shot at recording so i just need somthing to get by till i get the hang of it.

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I might be wrong but doesnt the 410 have some pre amps built in?
 
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I might be wrong but doesnt the 410 have some pre amps built in?

well you might be right, but the guy who does our demo's has this set up and he was kind enough to help me pick out the equip and software. He uses a nady pa head for his pre-amp. He has it very complicated rig with that pa head he told me if i had the extra cash grab a cheap pre amp.
 
This is the M-Audio FireWire 410. Is this what you have?

Looks to me it has x2 pres, unless i'm blind, also has 8 1/4" unbalanced inputs on the back.

What are you wanting to record exactly if your after something else?
 
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hrmm ok well i feel kinda dumb now hehe, thats weird I wonder why he thought i needed a pre amp. I just ordered it hasn't come in yet. I'm gona be doing our bands demos, we don't have alot of money to spend in the studio so we rush our recordings and they are good but we want to spend more time on them.
 
Doing your own demos and EPs has its advantages. Time and money is the main one. Well if you already have some mics and a mixer with direct outs/inserts and your a standard band (ie, 2 guitars, vocalist, drums, bass, etc..) you could get by on that firewire 410. The quality in comparison to the studio could be comprimised (depending on the studios gear they have) but you will have more time to track stuff right, which could ultimately be better quality too?

The only thing about working on your own mixes, depending who edits it from your band, will more or less be biased to their part in the mix than others in the band :) . But it doesn't happen all the time, its just something to be aware of if your going to mix your own band.

A basic setup could be, get some software (n-track is a good one for free if you haven't got one better than that already), a mixer with direct outs and or insterts (or some seperate mic pres a budget decent one is the Behringer ADA8000 ) and some mics and obviously your instruments and amps.

The extra pres are if you want to mic up say your drum kit fully which would require atleast 4 mics for a decent sound, you'd run them from an external preamplifier such as the ADA8000 or mixer into the 1/4" jacks on the back of the firewire 410. Note, with the ADA8000, you'd need to get an XLR to TRS/TS cable to run it into the 410's line inputs.

Then use the preamps in the 410 for everything that only requires two or less inputs at a time (ie, vox, guitars, etc..) and multitrack everything one at a time.

That might take a bit of time to absorb, but not knowing your budget, i can't really give you a clear realistic idea of what you could have. See how you go, it might seem expensive now if your on a tight budget, but in the long run it would turn out better (with experience, time and gear).
 
wow that helps a ton, ya we were gona record the drums by micing snare and bass with two overheads so that why he was telling me to get preamps. do you have any experience with the nady pre amps, he said if I was tight on cash to try those but those are pretty hit or miss i've heard.
 
The Nady preamps are mostly "miss". The Firewire 410 preamps will be significantly better.

You may want to experiment with stereo drum techniques and just do 2 channel recording. You can get great drum sounds with 2 mics if you work at it.
 
Yeah, i haven't as such had much experience with the Nady preamps. Trying to stereo record the drums (using x2 mics only) could work to start out, it takes a lot of time to get a decent overall mix of the kit, but you can only use what you got.

Just shop around really i think for a mixer or some other pres just to satisfy the drum kit. Like they don't have to be top notch if you just are keen to lay down the drum tracks, obviously it'd be nicer to have some but just shop around and do some resrach into everything such as mixers and preamps, see whats the go.
 
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