Heading into a proper studio for the first time - any tips?

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Hi folks - I've been registered here for nearly a year now but this is my first thread. Anyway, my band and I are getting some tracks properly recorded this weekend and none of us have any experience in studios and stuff so I'm full of questions.

Firstly, we're apparently going to spend 8 hours recording on Saturday and then Sunday another 8 hours will be spent mixing. We're hoping to record at least five songs, probably averaging 4 minutes each. Is it likely that we'll be able to get that much done in the time?

Secondly, I'd like to know basically how the whole process works in general - will the guy want to sit down and talk with us or get us to play songs or will we kind of launch straight into it?

Other than that I have a whole bunch of specific questions:
* Will we do any recording during the 'mixing' session?
* Are metronomes used?
* Would the guy want to record seperate tracks if we swap from clean to distortion?
* Should we bother with our own digital effects or will the guy do that himself?

For what it's worth we've got four band-members:
Drummer
Guitarist (me)
Guitarist/singer
Bassist/backup-singer
Apparently we've got an "Alternative / Post-Grunge" sound. Kinda like a mix of Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins and A Perfect Circle.

Well, that's all I can think of for now.

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If you're rehearsing before the session, try playing all the songs at about half of the normal speed. You'd be surprised to find out what might be screwy with a tune - This is a better way to find out than during the session.

NEW STRINGS - NEW BASS STRINGS!!! - NEW HEADS stretched & tuned PROPERLY - i.e., if your drummer doesn't know what a chromatic scale is, get someone who does to tune the drums the right way. Have him meet you at the studio at load-in time and give him $ equal to one hour of the studio's rate. This will save HUGE amounts of mix time. Good sounding drums almost mix themselves. Bad sounding drums are damn near impossible to mix well.

Go over your gear for the tiniest of anomalies - Loose screws/nuts, fret buzz, squeaky kick pedals - All easy stuff to fix, but no fun at $75 an hour.

If you're drummer is used to a click track, USE IT. If he's not, don't try to start him on it during the session. Too expensive to learn to play to a click when the studio clock is running.

Use individual tracks for whatever you can. THINK about the segues between distorted & clean guitars - Will the guitar just stop cold when the clean part comes in? Will a sustained power chord fade into the distance instead? Have these ideas ready BEFORE you're on the clock!

Get your "raw" tone to sound as good as possible and use the studio's effects units during the mix if possible. Reverb & chorus can sound pretty crappy through a microphone and they'll likely end up in mono.

COMMUNICATION IS KEY - And most engineers communicate pretty well if you buy them pizza. They'll also perhaps stop the clock for a bit while eating the pizza and chatting on how the sounds are going.

When you're done mixing, it's very important to send it to MASSIVE Mastering for the final mastering session. :D (I'm such a whore). :eek:
 
If you were in my studio, I would allow the first day for getting solid drum, bass, and rhythm guitar tracks down, along with some scratch leads and vocals, then the second day would be for guitar solos, final vocals, and harmonies.

I'd take at least four to five days off before mixing everything down. Figure an 1.5 to 2 hours to mix the first song and about 30 to 45 minutes per song after that.
 
lol both massive and harvey are right.....the first time i was in the studio...i was thrown into it and told to go for it on acoustic guitar....then i was told what i did was wrong and asked to play something else. after being told that was wrong and then having what they wanted explained to me, i was able to do what they wanted. by the end of the morning 5 a.m....(this started at 1 a.m.) i was tired and pissed. at that point i knew i wasnt much of a studio musician. however going back in the studio with my band, my money, my songs and an engineer i chose...the situation was alot different and the recordings were pretty good....massive is right about playing everything a little slow to check for kinks....we planned on 5 songs in 8 hours for 2 days and we got 3 done due to kinks.
 
5 songs in one day is ambitious but not impossible. You won't have time to do a lot of overdubs so you guys better be tight. Record your best and most difficult songs first in case you run out of time to get all of them down.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Figure an 1.5 to 2 hours to mix the first song and about 30 to 45 minutes per song after that.


You mix pretty fast. I generally tell people the amount of time spent mixing depends on how fussy they are about the finished product, and ultimately how good they want it to sound. I'd never spend any less than a couple hours on a song someone was really fussy about.

Maybe I could do a McDonalds drive-through (FAST, CHEAP, Low-quality) mix in a half-hour, though.
 
What's the old joke? Quality; speed; price. Pick any two.
 
I recorded 42 Songs in one night one time with a group. It was living hell. They did it all live. Also mixed them all in 8 hours the next day. They wanted it done. It doesnt surprise me when they are calling me back now saying they want to remix it all.

I think they are planning on doing it again too. They are clients that are not easy to please so i gotta go meditate the next few weeks to be ready for it.

Danny
 
chessrock said:
You mix pretty fast. I generally tell people the amount of time spent mixing depends on how fussy they are about the finished product, and ultimately how good they want it to sound. I'd never spend any less than a couple hours on a song someone was really fussy about.

Maybe I could do a McDonalds drive-through (FAST, CHEAP, Low-quality) mix in a half-hour, though.
Maybe he just gets it right during tracking and all he needs to do is just throw everything together and adjust some minor things. :)
 
Whatever you do, for GOD's sake don't spill beer on the mixer
 
Well, by now the engineer should have already spent some time talking to you about how you want it to sound.

Bring in some CD's with examples of the sounds you are after, but don't be unrealistic. Don't ask him to make you sound like Stevie Ray Vaughn, and then come in with a Crate amp. Stuff like that. However, a disc which has a snare drum sound you really like is very useful. Same with the kick, and really just the whole kit. It is helpful with guitars, but less so, as guitar sounds are more about what is coming out of the amp (I can fix a lot more with the drums, it just takes a while).

The most important thing is for you to PRACTICE. What I would recommend (though it is already too late) is for you to practice 6-8 hours a day for two weeks before you get into the studio. Know your songs so well, you can play them perfectly when you are a little nervous and weirded out by spending that much an hour for the studio. And when I say practice, I mean practice, not just playing them. If you are having trouble with a transition, play that transition a few times until you figure out what the problem is. Don't just play the song through, but work on the hard parts. I would say that if you are rehearsing 5 songs, you should probably not play any one song all the way through more than 2-3 times in a 6 hour rehearsal. The rest of the time should be working on the parts which are giving you trouble.

New strings are good, but not too new. Do not change your guitar strings the day of the session, as they will be stretching out, and the guitar won’t stay in tune. Change them the day before, after rehearsal, and then stretch them out. To stretch them, you need to get them in tune, and then grab each string and pull it away from the fingerboard an inch or two, and wiggle it a little. Not enough to break it, but just enough to pull out any slack at the tuners, and make up for any stretch in the string itself. Retune, and do this two or three more times. It is also a very good idea to get your instruments set up before you go in. It cost about $60-100 for a professional electric guitar set up, but it is absolutely worth it, particularly when you are going in to the studio.

If you are using a nylon string, change the strings a week ahead of time, as they take longer to stretch out. Figure on 2-3 days ahead for Bass strings, because they also take longer to stretch out than steel guitar strings.

Don't piss off the engineer, and be diplomatic, but remember it is YOUR session. He has done more sessions and knows what he is doing, so listen to his advice and give it serious consideration, but make your own decisions.

Tune the drums, sure (every one says this), but also remember to tune your guitars, dammit. This does NOT mean using a tuner, but actually using your ear to listen to the tuning. Your ear is a much more sensitive instrument for tuning than any digital tuner, and is better at hearing what SOUNDS in tune than even a strobe tuner. I get the A string on guitars in tune (to the piano or keyboards if they are being used, to a strobe tuner if they are not), and tune the rest by ear.

Five songs complete in sixteen hours is very ambitious, so be prepared to skip a few songs if you have to. Choose an order, and do them in that order. The first song to be done is not your favorite, nor the one which you wrote. The first song is the strongest song you have. The second song is the next strongest song, and so on.

In order to record that many songs in that little time, you will need to be recording almost everything but vocals in the same take (drums bass and guitar), so rehearsal is very important. If you have a great take for three of you, you can overdub the other guy, but if only one of you is together in a take, it is not going to work. Vocals will almost certainly need to be overdubbed if he is playing with the rest of you, but it is up to the engineer if that happens before the next song, or at the end of the day. I would want to do it before moving on to the next song, just because I want to make sure I have enough time to get all of the vocal tracks. However, if he can not set up for the vocal tracks without breaking down another part of the setup, then wait.

Tell your drummer to set up his drums, play a little to make sure they are right, and then get up and walk away from the set, tell the engineer every thing is in place, and then wait until the engineer tells him he can play again. There is NOTHING you can do to piss off an engineer worse than hitting the snare drum while he is positioning mics. Instant tinnitus, if you know what I mean. Read the first few days of the Mixerman diaries if you don't know what I am talking about. And make sure no one else decides this is a good time to become a drummer.

So relax and have fun (this is rock and roll, it is about fun, remember), but take the process seriously. It is fun, but it is also work. It is a lot more fun if you are getting a lot done than if you are just messing around. At the end of the session, you will be much happier if you work hard than if you play hard.

Oh yeah, and no, you will not be recording durring the mix. You will be mixing.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
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darnold said:
I recorded 42 Songs in one night one time with a group. It was living hell. They did it all live. Also mixed them all in 8 hours the next day. They wanted it done. It doesnt surprise me when they are calling me back now saying they want to remix it all.

I think they are planning on doing it again too. They are clients that are not easy to please so i gotta go meditate the next few weeks to be ready for it.

Danny

Was it grindcore or something?
 
Ok well I guess I'll change my strings, etc before practice tonight so that they'll get a decent run-in before we recrod. I hope our bass player can afford new strings...

Also I'm writing some stuff down in a notebook which references tempos, sound changes, effects... that kind of thing.
 
Somebody said:
Maybe he just gets it right during tracking and all he needs to do is just throw everything together and adjust some minor things. :)


I'm sure he does that. Remember, he did say he spends at least 2 hours on the first song, though, so obviously there is some tinkering going on. I'm assuming he uses a "cookie-cutter" approach to all the other tunes once he figures out what he wants to do with the first one. Just about everyone does it to a degree. It's good time management, but it gets a little sticky if you've got several songs that are drastically different from one another in tonality and arrangement.
 
chessrock said:
You mix pretty fast. I generally tell people the amount of time spent mixing depends on how fussy they are about the finished product, and ultimately how good they want it to sound. I'd never spend any less than a couple hours on a song someone was really fussy about.

Maybe I could do a McDonalds drive-through (FAST, CHEAP, Low-quality) mix in a half-hour, though.
We take a little longer on the first song since it requires getting the drums and all the tones pretty dead on. After that, most of the other songs are similar enough to keep the same drum settings (maybe re-eq the snare), and the rest goes pretty quick. For an average rock group (drums, bass, 2 guitars, and a singer), we can usually get them happy within the first couple of hours on the first song. If there's a lotta tracks, yeah, it's gonna take longer.
 
chessrock said:
I'm sure he does that. Remember, he did say he spends at least 2 hours on the first song, though, so obviously there is some tinkering going on. I'm assuming he uses a "cookie-cutter" approach to all the other tunes once he figures out what he wants to do with the first one. Just about everyone does it to a degree. It's good time management, but it gets a little sticky if you've got several songs that are drastically different from one another in tonality and arrangement.
For most of the heavy metal stuff we do, yeah, there's not a lot of changes to the drums and bass, and most groups prefer to use our drums, so we know that sound already.

If one song is drastically different from the others, we'll mix all the other similar songs first to save time. Then we can devote a lot of time to the different song(s).

Since we charge by the song, not by the hour, it's in our best interest to get it right the first time, so we take as long as we need to get it right the first time. Occasionally, we screw up, and we need to do a remix on a couple of songs a few weeks later.
 
If you're in the right studio, you will have a great time. A decent studio will have the strings, the batteries and the drumheads/sticks in case you'll need them.

For example, last saturday a soul band came in, drums, bass, guitar, Hammond/Rhodes, alto sax and tenor sax and two female singers.
I had prepared the session, so everything was on the right spot (the band had sent me an email with the 'stage plan').

The drummer used the studio drumkit, so the whole soundcheck took less than half an hour. We recorded 14 songs in 6 hours and it took a couple of hours to do some overdubs. We recorded everything at once, the ladies were singing in the controlroom. The sound is awesome because this band sounds awesome, almost Motown like, they said.

I've had a great time and so did the band, although one of the female singers was really picky, but we made some great music and that's what counts.

I hope you'll have a great time too, don't get nervous, making music is fun.

Harvey is so right, don't mix after the session, make a 'rough mix' and take some time before you do the final mix. Listen to the rough mix a number of times, maybe you don't like a solo or a vocal part and you can record a new solo as the first thing on the mix session, no problem.

And one thing: take some extra copies of the lyrics with you for the engineer.
He/she might need them when recording vocal overdubs.
 
Insaneogram said:
Ok well I guess I'll change my strings, etc before practice tonight so that they'll get a decent run-in before we recrod. I hope our bass player can afford new strings...

If the bassist can't afford them, pitch in and get him a set of Elixir's - They're a little more expensive, but they keep their tone reasonably well. Bass sound is pretty paramount - Don't skimp on strings. When you're spending ($$?) and hour, it's silly to pass on strings and drum heads.

For example - On guitar strings, I change them every hour in the studio while tracking just to keep the sound consistent. It takes less time & money to change the strings than it does to adjust every mix for the steadily decaying tone of the guitar. One thing changes, everything changes.

Remember - This is "forever" - If you cut corners, they're cut forever. If you need to go back and correct stuff later, it's going to cost a lot more than if you do it right the first time.
 
Well I think we're all set. I'm a little worried about one of our songs "All Night" which is a song I'm very protective of and I want it to be exactly right so I'll be hell picky and then the guys will hate me and we'll all cry.

Apart from that, though, I think everything is pretty sweet.
 
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