HDProduction - Instrumentals / all feedback will be returned!!!

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Greg_L said:
My christmas was fine. I don't see how calling someone out for calling someone else a racist with no proof is scrooge-like, but whatever.

I never saw where anyone called you a racist. So where was I? Who knows. Probably banned.
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That is a possibility actually. lol! Merry Christmas Greg. Lets just let this one go.......

Stirring up is just not warranted here.
 
jimmys69 said:
That is a possibility actually. lol! Merry Christmas Greg. Lets just let this one go.......

Stirring up is just not warranted here.
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Fair enough. You're right, this is not the place to bash people. I hope that also applies to your boy that's calling people a racist.
 
"Poorly veiled racism" is pretty strong accusation. I never remotely implied that this has anything to do with race.
I'm done trying to make my point and don't need to "win" this argument on the internet to make myself feel better about anything.
And I did have a great Christmas :D:D:D:D
 
Greg_L said:
Fair enough. You're right, this is not the place to bash people. I hope that also applies to your boy that's calling people a racist.
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I'm not out to simply bash anybody either, I'm simply disappointed when threads seem to immediately assume that anybody into hip hop is stupid and isn't making 'real music'. It would be more correct to say 'genre-ist', I suppose, but to deny the strong historical connection between black culture and hip hop, would be beyond ignorant, and the fact that it's the only genre of music with its own sub-forum doesn't precisely refute my observations. Again, wasn't calling the man a racist, just disappointed in the auto-hip hop-bashing with potentially racist undertones that appear to come up with some regularity around here.

However, I agree: let's let this one go. If you feel like discussing this further, let's move it to PM.
 
Greg_L said:
Fair enough. You're right, this is not the place to bash people. I hope that also applies to your boy that's calling people a racist.
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Why do you try to stir up shit from nothing dood? He never called anyone a racist. This is not a forum to judge. That sounded to me what Steve was trying to say. You however, are making it a big issue by hyping of the conversation. You get off on it don't ya?
 
jimmys69 said:
Why do you try to stir up shit from nothing dood? He never called anyone a racist. This is not a forum to judge. That sounded to me what Steve was trying to say. You however, are making it a big issue by hyping of the conversation. You get off on it don't ya?
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He called what Ido said something like "poorly veiled racism". Did you miss that post? Or is it okay for him to say something like that because you agree with him? Either way, you're both wrong. I'm not stirring anything up. I'm just defending a useful, longtime, contributing member to the MP3 clinic, from some dude that hardly ever posts, and when he does, it's nonsense. I'm defending a guy that's been here, posting music, commenting on other's music, since long before you even got here. Shame on me. I'd do the same for you if I saw someone attacking you out of sheer ignorance.
 
ido1957 said:
I'm done trying to make my point and don't need to "win" this argument on the internet to make myself feel better about anything.
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Everybody understands your point: In your view, the OP appeared to be more interested in selling his beats than in honest feedback about the production. My point is that by posting this:

"No I repeat - try the the Hip Hop DJ Forum on this board. We don't listen to or buy or use "beats" here in the clinic. We play rock/pop/punk/country around here. That's why Dragon created the Hip Hop DJ Forum on this board. The people who hang out there would be more inclined to buy your beats."

Your point may have been honest and without any intended undertones, but you must understand that your wording was more than a little condescending. Your & Greg's "I say we ban all rap/hip-hop/R&B. / +1" were entirely disrespectful as well. That was the primary point I was trying to make.

Ultimately it's a forum, and y'all can post whatever you want. Much like music, the intention of language is to convey meaning, and I was attempting to inform you guys that the language you were using, regardless of intention, could potentially come off as somewhat racist. If I said anything that came off as racist, I would want to know about it, just like if I were out of tune or inadvertently referencing the melody of another tune through my own music, I would want to know about it. That's all.
 
I listened to a couple beats and thought they sounded great. But I am definitely not an authority on hiphop/rap production.
 
There is an long standing and fairly strong undercurrent that holds little respect for some areas of music that are seen to be based on sampled beats, riffs & melodies. The over & mis use of the label "producer" has contributed to this also. This undercurrent may be on the wrong track but it's one built up & promoted over time. Some of it sticks.
The simplistic alignment of hip hop/Modern RnB etc with race is long gone as is the assumption that only hillbillies play rock'n'roll and farmers country.
Lots of stuff has been posted where someone has bought, copied or lifted a backing loop & sung/rapped/done various things over the top and the same can be made for those folk who post karaoke style recordings or instrumentals based on bought/downloaded jam tracks/trainers.You should read the drubbing Death Metal often gets about its genre specific requirments.
I have serious dislikeing for a few genres of music. I'm certainly non too keen on most Marli Music or Morris Dance soundtracks for that matter but that doesn't make me a pan race racist does it? Or does it? It may suggest that I'm a little ethnocentric or just parochial but proves nothing other than I have personal, albeit eccentric, tastes. My dislikes of certain styles of music don't define me nor do they demonstrate any character faults, except for aural intolerance, unless they can be matched with other traits in my behaviour and related treatment of people, animals and the environment to justify a label of xenophobia or perhaps even sociopathic tendencies.
A accusation of racism is unwarranted in the context of the comments made in this thread and is presumptuous, short sighted and paranoid as well as naive.
Suggestions were made and one or two people may have taken them for a ride: played on them for effect.
Presuming one can see behind the veil brings to mind the Lincoln story about assuming.
I understand PC and comply with it in most contexts but frank and honest discussion or commentary has to tread on sensitive ground, not that this occurred in this instance, so I feel posters and moderators alike should look at history, repetition and context before smearing the reputation of a member.
Afterall, bullies aren't labelled bullies untill they have established a pattern of behaviour over time and within circumstances.
Maybe 7 veils and you're out!
 
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As far as I can tell, no one was smeared or judged here. Identifying the fact that something seemed to indicate racial judgment, is not judgmental in itself. It is stating a personal opinion of how it sounded to them. Seriously, loosen the hell up guys. It is about the music and how 'you' comprehend it. If you don't like it, don't fu**ing listen to it. Easy as that. Judging music when it is not your genre, is just ridiculous. I don't care if the music sucks to you. You are not forced to listen. If a Hip Hop dood wants to post here, then don't give him sh!t and tell him where to post. I may not like it myself, or your particular type of music, but I don't tell you where to stick it.

Let it go guys.....:D
 
If you look into the history of this particular section of the BBS you'll find it is repeatedly used by people to get hit points or get to #1 on S/click even if the post does ask for opinion the context sometimes points elsewhere. Those who've been around long enough know and recognize this trend.
Perhaps some clarification as to exactly what the Hip Hop Forum is meant to achieve would be useful as would a similar assessment of all the sections of the BBS.
"Judging music when it is not your genre, is just ridiculous." I can't believe you wrote that. Take some time & think about the whole Homerecording thing. Are you serioulsy asking people to stay within strict genre boundaries with their critiques and commentaries. The extrapolation from this is more than a little ironic given your previous staements. Think before, as and after you type & definitely before you click submit.
On an entirely different level however:
A moderator who feels that someone has overstepped the mark ought to contact that person discretely and enter into a little dialogue, suggest they cool off etc.
There are many strategies that could have been employed by a moderator on the ball; calling someone out publicly isn't one of them.
Moderating is difficult and calls for moderation, mediation, modification, mollification and a modicum of calm.
Making judgement calls without reference to history, repetition and context is guaranteed to raise the temperature not lower it.

HD, sorry - I've listened to you stuff a few time actually. It's hard to get beyond the HD Productions voice stamp on some occassions. I think you should supply more details about what you've done with a piece: where your samples come from, who came in to do the vox etc just to make it a little more open and involving. The streamer on your page isn't too flash so a move to soundcloud or MP3 Lightning etc would up the quality a bit as well.
 
rayc said:
Are you serioulsy asking people to stay within strict genre boundaries with their critiques and commentaries. The extrapolation from this is more than a little ironic given your previous staements. Think before, as and after you type & definitely before you click submit.
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On can certainly have an opinion on whatever the hell music he/she wants, but disparaging a post based solely on the genre and your own personal taste on a public forum is uncalled-for, in my opinion.
 
jimmys69 said:
Judging music when it is not your genre, is just ridiculous.
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Wow. That pretty much goes against everything this section of HR is here for. I guess I won't be listening or commenting on anyone else's music anymore.
 
rayc said:
If you look into the history of this particular section of the BBS you'll find it is repeatedly used by people to get hit points or get to #1 on S/click even if the post does ask for opinion the context sometimes points elsewhere. Those who've been around long enough know and recognize this trend.
Perhaps some clarification as to exactly what the Hip Hop Forum is meant to achieve would be useful as would a similar assessment of all the sections of the BBS.
"Judging music when it is not your genre, is just ridiculous." I can't believe you wrote that. Take some time & think about the whole Homerecording thing. Are you serioulsy asking people to stay within strict genre boundaries with their critiques and commentaries. The extrapolation from this is more than a little ironic given your previous staements. Think before, as and after you type & definitely before you click submit.
On an entirely different level however:
A moderator who feels that someone has overstepped the mark ought to contact that person discretely and enter into a little dialogue, suggest they cool off etc.
There are many strategies that could have been employed by a moderator on the ball; calling someone out publicly isn't one of them.
Moderating is difficult and calls for moderation, mediation, modification, mollification and a modicum of calm.
Making judgement calls without reference to history, repetition and context is guaranteed to raise the temperature not lower it.

HD, sorry - I've listened to you stuff a few time actually. It's hard to get beyond the HD Productions voice stamp on some occassions. I think you should supply more details about what you've done with a piece: where your samples come from, who came in to do the vox etc just to make it a little more open and involving. The streamer on your page isn't too flash so a move to soundcloud or MP3 Lightning etc would up the quality a bit as well.
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thanks for the nice feedback but why is everyone in this forum so messed up man? sorry but somebody need to say this. i dont understand those people. they take their power to show hate on forums insteed of making music. anyways ill try my best to be a nice member of HomeRecording. :)
 
HDProduction said:
thanks for the nice feedback but why is everyone in this forum so messed up man? sorry but somebody need to say this. i dont understand those people. they take their power to show hate on forums insteed of making music. anyways ill try my best to be a nice member of HomeRecording. :)
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Good job dude :) It's just another beautiful example of how people talk back and forth for a long time sometimes and yet in the end nobody is a winner lol.
 
Whats a BEATZ ? Also what is a production? Why doesn't punk rock have production beatz ?
 
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