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I need someone who can tell me exactly how to add the effects to my music when mixing down.
I'm sorry if this seems too much to ask but I just can't find the answer I need anywhere.
Only bits and pieces and I'm afraid they just don't add up.
I have a 424 MK III

Thanks !!!!
 
Are you recording into software?

Do you use recording software and then mix down to the 424 or do you connect directly into the 424 and record? Some info on your setup would be helpful.

Dick
 
Sorry,

I am recording directly into the 424 (microphones and direct from guitars).

I am not familiar with the software needed to take the place of it.

After I have completed the material, I mix down using my stereo speakers through my PC.

After it is recorded to the hard drive, I then burn it into a CD
 
What kind of effects are you trying to add? Unless you have a rackmount effect module or something like that (i.e. chorus, reverb, compressor, whatever) then you would have to apply the effect using a software plug-in. Essentially what you would be looking for is something like N-tracks, Acid, Cubasis or Sonar.

I read in your thread from another forum that you have the SBLive! Platinum. When I purchased mine, one came with a Cubasis CD and another came with Cakewalk Gold. These would work just fine. You record the output of the 424 into one of these programs, apply the effects plug-ins to either each track or the entire mix and everything should be golden. Record a final stereo track and export that file as a WAV file. You can now burn your CD with no trouble.

If you still have questions, go ahead and post the problems you're having.

Dick
 
I just spoke to a guy at Guitar Center who told me that when you have already recorded your music onto a cassette tape, there is NO WAY of adding effects later at mixdown.
Is this true??
Does he need more schooling in this area.

I am getting too many different opinions.
All I want to do is add effects.
I want it in language that I can understand.

I need a drink!!
 
For once the guy at GC was actually correct. If you are mixing from the 4track you need to add the effects while you are mixing down to the computer. Or you can copy the tracks one by one to the comp and add effects in a computer program.

Maybe somebody here can post some links to basic recording/mixing techniques to help you out. I believe there are some tutorials on the home page here also.

You will need an effects processor or the right software to do this.
 
TexRoadkill said:
For once the guy at GC was actually correct. If you are mixing from the 4track you need to add the effects while you are mixing down to the computer. Or you can copy the tracks one by one to the comp and add effects in a computer program.

Maybe somebody here can post some links to basic recording/mixing techniques to help you out. I believe there are some tutorials on the home page here also.

You will need an effects processor or the right software to do this.


Bring it on people. I'm a sponge

How do you add effects at mixdown from a cassette tape?

I want to add some Reverb, maybe some Distortion, others
 
In a way it's true -- once you've recorded the track you can't put an effect onto that track in any way. What you can do is re-record the track after passing it through an effect and print a new effected track. That's the way it's always been with tape.

Anyway, in a nutshell here's the way you do it with a typical cassette multitracker. There is typically a set of jacks labeled Send and Return (often a single mono send and a pair of stereo returns.) There should also be sliders or knobs labeled Send for each track; if I recall there's probably only a single Return level control. Here's how it works: the channel Send taps off part of the signal recorded on that track or being played into that track. This signal is directed out the Send jack. An effects box (let's say a reverb) is hooked in to recieve a signal from the cable; its output is then patched into the Return jacks. You can then adjust the level of this signal mixed in with the direct levels on the channels themselves. By adjusting the send and return levels (and you can usually control a lot of this on the effects box as well), the amount of effected ("wet") signal is balanced against the amount of uneffected ("dry") signal, adjusted to taste by you, the mix engineer.

The limitations with cassette portastudios are usually that you can only apply one effect at a time. Fancier multitrackers and "real" mixers have individual sends and returns for each channel that can each be wired to a separate device. But with a cassette portastudio, if you want a chorus on a guitar track and a reverb on the vocal, you have to get creative.

One thing you can do is to record the track with the effect patched in the first place, but then you're stuck with the effect and cannot remove it.

You can also record the parts totally dry and add an effect while bouncing to another track. But with only four tracks you do not have the luxury of keeping the original dry track around in addition to copies of it with effects. You also lose some fidellity with each bounce. There's quite an art to it all, but skillful people can make pretty good recordings with these portastudios, working within the phsicla constraints imposed.

What's so neat about computer recording is that you can always keep the dry tracks and an almost unlimited number of alternative copies and keep them intact and distinct, and the effects can be added in the software to individual tracks or submixed groups of tracks... and when you do bounce tracks together, there is almost no loss of fidelity at all. And the fidelity you get right off the bat is so much better than a cassette multitracker is capable of.
 
Thank you AlChuck

It sounds as though I had better get used to the idea of not using effects at all.

Appreciate your candidness
 
Gee, I didn't mean to suggest that at all... effects are wonderful when used properly. I might go so far as saying they are necessary unless you have a fantastic acoustic space to record in with a fabulous array of microphones, a great board and wonderful preamps, and are fabulously skilled at micing in stereo and only record players who can play with utterly perfect dynamics...
 
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