Have $1000 of decent gear I don't know how to use properly -- Please help

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Thank you Bobbsy,
As succinct and diplomatic as I would have expected!
One question. Do you ever have a problem monitoring a single track you have recorded at neg 18/20?

Dave.
 
To try and drag this kicking and screaming back to the original question...

While the original poster is probably tracking too hot, as long as he's not clipping the signal this is almost certainly NOT the cause of the "mush" and lack of detail he's talking about. Tracking at an appropriate level leaves room for later mixing with other tracks and the use of plug ins that may or may not have problems with high levels. The mush is much more likely to be something to do with mic placement and/or the acoustics of his recording space.

Now, onto my thoughts about the discussion this evolved into.

Basically it needs to be remembered that there are several different "levels" in the production process.

-You TRACK at a level that leaves sufficient headroom for later mixing and plug ins. Some say -20, some say -18, I tend to worry more about the occasional peaks which I never want higher than -8 or so with the "average" falling where it does. There's no right or wrong. None of my plug ins seem to worry about levels approaching 0dB(FS) and, especially working in Floating Point, I can just move a fader up and down if adding all the tracks together seems to get too hot.

-You MONITOR at a level that's comfortable to listen to and appropriate fotr the musical genre. Yeah, there are set down suggestions but the main thing is that you can turn your monitors up and down without affecting the actual levels in the mix. Turning up your monitors doesn't affect the actual levels any more than turning up your TV changes things at the TV station.

-You MIX so that you still have some headroom left for any processes that will be used in the mastering process.

-You MASTER to (amongst many other things) make the final levels on your project something similar to a commercial recording. Almost always this'll mean peaks right at the 0dB(FS) but you can leave more or less dynamic range (i.e. the difference between the loudest and quietest parts of the mix) down to your taste. Too little dynamic range can make your music sound flat and just generalised noise. Too much and the quiet bits will sometimes get lost in today's noisy listening environments.

Somebody mentioned making CDs of a work in progress and normalising to get levels up to something listenable in a car or whatever. Indeed, this is exactly what I do when I want to listen to something to check the mix before doing the whole mastering routine.

No, you don't want to clip. Yes, you want your mixes loud enough to hear in a car or on earbuds on the train--but, between these points, there's a lot of wiggle room and no big rights or wrongs.
Pretty much what I said in my first post in this thread, and a couple after that. Thank you.
 
Thank you Bobbsy,

One question. Do you ever have a problem monitoring a single track you have recorded at neg 18/20?

Dave.

Nope. No problem at all--for "normal" mixing my monitoring system is just loafing along and I have plenty of spare gain for the quietest of signals. If I need to hear something that's especially quiet, I just turn the knob (I have passive monitors with a separate amp and I generally control the monitor level with the, er, monitor level knob on my mixer).
 
Still watching this thread, just trying to find time to record. I have everything set up, at least, should get something done this weekend. Basically, what I've taken away so far is that I need to heavily experiment with my levels on my guitar amp, microphone pre-amp, and gain in Reaper until I find a combination that works.
 
Still watching this thread, just trying to find time to record. I have everything set up, at least, should get something done this weekend. Basically, what I've taken away so far is that I need to heavily experiment with my levels on my guitar amp, microphone pre-amp, and gain in Reaper until I find a combination that works.

Another thing to consider is gain staging in the digital realm. If you are using plugins/busses or anything else that extends the signal chain you have to consider what volume range they work in. If you have your volume "almost in the red" while its raw in your reaper project once you start adding vsts that add more volume to it
you're likely to clip something and it won't even show up on the meters. I hope this makes sense...basically don't overlook gain staging at the digital side too as was mentioned in a very technical manner everything stages different and clips different not just in analog but digital too.
 
A lot of good advice so far. The only thing I would add concerns finding guitar tone. Some people find it easier to first find correct mic placement, THEN tweak your amp. If doing it the way you are doing it gets the results you want then just ignore me. Lol. First, turn all tone settings on amp to 12 o' clock. Then turn your amp gain and volume up so that the amp is responding to your picking the way you think it should and the the amps volume is in the sweet spot. Then find mic placement by either reamping a looped track or having a friend chug a little on your guitar. Use good earplugs and find the spot on the speaker that sounds like it has the qualities you are looking for in tone. Back the mic off more for more room sound and move it closer for less as needed. If you still don't have the right tone, THEN tweak your amp a little more. This sounds more difficult but has saved me a great deal of time and energy, and to my ear gets me better results. Rather than trying to capture your amps tone, your you use the capturing process to help build it.
 
One question ... Are you recording and listening to play using headphones? I you are , I don't recommend it. get a small decent pair of powered monitors and hear the difference..
 
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