Hard Rock Tunage

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I posted this one before but the vocals were not finished. I now have all the tracks in place and I am trying to close in on a final mix. There are some issues with the drums. I've tried to tame the dynamics but his hit consistency is about as good as his timing.

I didn't play on this, just did the recording/mixing. Any mix comments are greatly appreciated.



Nation of Rock
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=3299&alid=-1
 
Dude, that guitar tone is sweet!!!! I like this tune. Sounds like a harder edged Aerosmith. Somewhat bluesy, but rockin. At this point, I can't really find fault in anything. Guitars sound very good. Voice, is good, and present in the mix, and sits there very well. Bass can be heard, and doesn't make the subwoofer bump too much. Drums even sound very good. For a 128K MP3, there is lots of sound, and it doesn't have the bad dynamics of some at that bitrate. Dude, sounds good.
Ed
 
This sounds really good, its fat and wide. but I think I'm accustomed to hearing a little more briteness and punch (mids) to the drums (like snare) on your stuff. Thats what I referenced to. I would need more on this, but thats just me.
 
I like the drums - I think the snare could be a little bigger in the mix - but it might upset the balance. You did a great job with a slightly imperfect beat and got everything to gel.

I love the lo-fi vox at 1:31 and the delay at 3:01. Is that an Octave effect on the vox at 3:52? Subtle and very cool. Overall excellent attention to the vocalist. I think you made this band sound better than they really do.
 
Overall it sounded very good. The upper end of the bass guitar sounds a little buried. This makes the kick sound too separated from the rest of the mix. I think if you could get the bass and kick to mesh a little better you would have a more powerful sounding mix.
 
Sounds real good man. Know what your saying about the drums especially the snare. I would try compressing more but watching that you dont loose the attack.
Guitars are well nice. :jealous: !
I dont like the kick drum though. when it is hit hard it doesnt fit with the sound of the mix. More a tone issues.

Good stuff.
 
Dogman thanks for the positive comments and the listen.

Toki987 I know what your saying about the drums. This guy had tape and muffler rings all over his kit. I managed to talk him out of the rings but the rest of the dampening materials stayed. For this reason there is very little decay/resonance on the drums and they tracked alot darker. Thanks for listening.

Supercreep

I think you made this band sound better than they really do.
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That is debatable but I do know that it has been A LOT of work. If nothing else, they have made me a little better than I was before. haha
Thanks for your comments.

ocnor

You might be right. I need to burn a test mix and take a few listens in my usual enviroments. Thanks for the suggestion and the comments.

Ecktronic

The snare is a litte tricky. His hits are pretty inconsistent (im sure you know this by now ) so I ended up with more bleed from the hats and other stuff than I would normally deem acceptable. The more I compress the more this stuff jumps up with the snare. I could go in and edit the bad hits but there are literally more bad than good and I think at this stage it works for their purposes. If the drum track wasn't already so sloppy I might be a little more inclined to work some magic on it.

Guitars are well nice. :jealous: !
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We used some early 90s piece of crap Peavey 2x12 combo with a Sm57. I had to convince the guitarist that his decade old Digitech pedal just was not going to cut it. Once that took place I was able to start the daunting task of getting a usable tone out of the amp. I think it turned out pretty good considering what it was.

I dont like the kick drum though
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Partially my fault. I got rushed and was trying to work around this guys bazillion cymbal stands. I didn't get him to remove his front head so I ended up with not so good placement in an already bad sounding kick drum. Overall it was just poor judgement on my part.

thanks for the comments and the listen.
 
Peavey 2x12!! :eek: no way. I feel sick. Mys et up is a Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 tube amp with 4x12 1960 cab and I dont get near that kinda tone. Looks lke I really need to work on my distortion recordings ALOT more!
Anyway what distortion did you use? now dont tell me you used the Peavey amp distortion, that would just take the whole pak of biscuits!

Eck
 
Anyway what distortion did you use? now dont tell me you used the Peavey amp distortion, that would just take the whole pak of biscuits!
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Yes we did in fact use the amp distortion. What you hear is the amp with no post processing other than a hi-pass around 100hz. The chain was Sm57 to my Soundtracs Solo 24 channel to an Alesis Adat. I did let the guy use my vintage 79 les paul custom, which made some difference. He had one of the cheapie jackson Randy Roads v's and it was incredibly brittle sounding coming through the amp. At any rate, I think they turned out pretty nice all things considered.
 
Anyone else? I am getting ready to hand this off to the band this weekend. I would like some more input if possible. Thanks........shameless bump
 
Only thing i didnt care for is the way the bass pokes through the guitar wall.

That bass clank is distracting.

But it is better than the last mix i heard of this so in terms of an A/B i suppose its fine.

Overall its a good job on your part WN.

Off subject.....

What are you tracking to?

And...what are you tracking Through?

-Finster
 
Finster thanks for listening, your comments are always appreciated.

What are you tracking to?
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This stuff was tracked into my adat setup. I have one Adat XT and one Lx 20 so I basically have to track at 16bit. In the past this was my main rig but I have been slowly putting together a DAW setup. This will probably be my last session that I track to adats.The mixing portion of this was done in Adobe Audition.

And...what are you tracking Through?
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I've got a 24 channel Soundtracs Solo mix desk that I track everything through. Nothing really fancy since this is still just a hobby.
 
You owe it to yourself to at least try to get an internship at a bigger facility!

You only live once.

-Finster
 
I agree. The guitars sound fantastic and wholly appropriate for the type of music it is. They sound like great sounding guitars and amps.

All and any mix suggestions are always so subjective, but if I were in front of it, I'd be inclined to roll off the bottom of the kick and toms a bit, and bring them back up in the mix overall a little.

Great work.
 
You owe it to yourself to at least try to get an internship at a bigger facility!
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Honestly that was the main reason I moved to Atlanta. There are some incredible studios right around where I live. Unfortunately I didn't factor in the insane amount of interns being dumped out of Atlanta Institute of Music as well as Georgia State Universities music production program. Needless to say, I have not been sucessfull at getting my foot in the door anywhere. I am at a loss for direction and not sure how to approach it anymore, if that makes any sense.

peopleperson Thanks for listening. I was wondering about the boominess of the toms/kick but no one really mentioned it making the mix unbalanced. I might try a few things if I get some more spare time to work on this. Thanks again
 
about the snare (i've had to do this before)
if you have a multiband comp, start choking a bit out of the snare at about 3K or so (hi shelfe) and boost a point at about 3K (reg eq). this will help you keep some presents from the snare, but maby eliminate some of the more annoying bleed frequencies. (not a best case senareo)
maby hi-pass the snare too??????

if you click my sig, this is done on the snare on "the glory and the dream"

maby cut some "fizz" out of the gits?
suck some low mids out of the bass (can't tell whare wthout being able to solo it up)

i'd boost some hi's in both the kick and toms, and maby cut some subs out of the kick (but just a little, and only maby)

i always like your stuff.
 
Wireneck said:
I was wondering about the boominess of the toms/kick but no one really mentioned it making the mix unbalanced. I might try a few things if I get some more spare time to work on this. Thanks again
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Boo. :( I mentioned about the kick not sitting right becuase of its tone. :)

Eck
 
Boo. I mentioned about the kick not sitting right becuase of its tone
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That you did, and I agreed with you in one of my earlier post. The sound is pretty much what it is, combination of bad placement/bad kick sound. Now you didn't tell me that it was knocking your monitors off the stands because of boominess or anything like that, which is what I was reffering to in this post....

I was wondering about the boominess of the toms/kick but no one really mentioned it making the mix unbalanced.
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