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can anybody give me eq or recording tips on getting that gut vocal sound. what I mean by gut vocal is that throaty, deep sound, kinda like a door opening slow, how do you eq that, anybody knows which frequencies enhance or cut this sound?
 
sing from the gut...also smoke 2 packs a day for years and drink a lot of whiskey
 
I don't think Ironklad is being particularly helpful.

I think it would be much more effective if you were to smoke 3 packs and drink a lot of tequila rather than whiskey.

Your mileage may vary.
 
"That sound" either comes from the vocalist or it doesn't. It's most definitely not an "EQ" thing...
 
if you are talking about screaming in any way check out "The Zen of Screaming 1 & 2" they are DVD's put out by a world-class vocal coach that guide you through the correct way of screaming...from guttural to pterodactyl.
 
blueroommusic said:
if you are talking about screaming in any way check out "The Zen of Screaming 1 & 2" they are DVD's put out by a world-class vocal coach that guide you through the correct way of screaming...from guttural to pterodactyl.
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Yes! I have those. They're great for learning how to sing from your diaphragm, as well as how to do the Cookie Monster thing.
 
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I find that it helps if you have a cold. Lots of phlegm. mmmmmmm
 
Bottom line: You can't do much with it other than have the singer retrack his/her vocal and sing it from the diaphram.

If they can't do it, suggest a vocal coach, and in the meantime, find someone who can.
 
blueroommusic said:
if you are talking about screaming in any way check out "The Zen of Screaming 1 & 2" they are DVD's put out by a world-class vocal coach that guide you through the correct way of screaming...from guttural to pterodactyl.
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let me second that one! I've been doing that kind of vocals since I was a kid, and there was still a shitload of information that was useful for me... and I can see that if someone were newer at that style of singing it would be very easy to follow. She's very entertaining in her approach and very descriptive.
 
jbonil1 said:
can anybody give me eq or recording tips on getting that gut vocal sound. what I mean by gut vocal is that throaty, deep sound, kinda like a door opening slow, how do you eq that, anybody knows which frequencies enhance or cut this sound?
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ack... just noticed that other people allready said this...well... I guess it shows...the diaphragm is... very important, even (especially) in screaming



It's not to do with the throat entirely. THe throat is only used to shape the sound. It's done in the same way that operatic vocals are, from the diaphragm. If you use your throat, it's possible, but it sounds a bit thinner, and will FUCK your throat if you do any sort of "normal" vocals as well (not to mention, make it harder to scream for any extended period of time, or too frequently).


Whiskey and smokes. I can't actually disagree that this can help a little bit for some people....if not for any other reason than to just loosen them up mentally so they will give it their all (people seem to be a bit afraid of screaming...they limit themselves, and don't often reach their full potential.)

But yeah, if you go from the gut.. you could do that kind of vocals all day without even getting hoarse
 
I'd like to learn Rob Halford's technique. All these years of singing like that, and he hasn't lost anything on his voice. And he duplicates his studio performances on stage too. Very incredible considering most of the singers who used to do that in the 80's can't hit those notes any longer. And he started in the early 70's! :eek:
 
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I'd like to learn Rob Halford's technique. All these years of singing like that, and he hasn't lost anything on his voice. And he duplicates his studio performances on stage too. Very incredible considering most of the singers who used to do that in the 80's can't hit those notes any longer. And he started in the early 70's! :eek:
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Halford is the man!
 
The diaphram is only a link in the chain. Try focusing on singing from the abdominal muscles. You'll find your body's natural resonance, increased pitch control and support for the entire vocal system.

How can this be acheived? Stand in the kitchen and push down on your countertop with both hands. You'll feel the abdomnal muscles flex and tighten. Now speak or sing while trying to support the sounds from that same place.

I'm not a great singer but do have some interesting character in my voice. This approach has helped more than anything in maximising that character.
 
I once asked a gal if she could sing from her diaphragm; she slapped me in the face and called me a pervert :eek:

G.
 
thanks guys, I laughed my ass off with your comments but maybe I wasn't clear enough on what I want. have you heard dream theater's misunderstood, at the begining where he sings quietly, that's what I mean. On my song I have a part like that one and I can do it, I just want to enhance the deep end(I believe you can make a joke here). I'm singing from the diaphragm so its not a coaching or singing question, I just want to enhance a vocal, it sounds good but it can sound better, so I asked if anybody that has worked with this type of vocals knows which eq freq (I believe its near the breath sound freq because every time I listen to this type of vocals I hear lots of breathing) you use for this, cause I've played with 200, 3000, 8000, and 12000 Hz (the mostly used vocal freqs) and can't get it. I was wondering if there was a secret. thats all. thanks

if you want, you can also listen to coldplay they do this a lot too.
 
jbonil1 said:
I've played with 200, 3000, 8000, and 12000 Hz (the mostly used vocal freqs) and can't get it. I was wondering if there was a secret. thats all. thanks
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One big secret here is that there are no "magic frequencies" that work for all voices, and any that might work for any specific voice will almost surely not fall on an even number with a lot of zeros in it ;).

Without hearing what you actually have in way of a recording - which is what anybody would need to give you any specific answers - I'd recommend a generic two-step process to get the specifics for yourself; the order in which they are performed is important:

1. Grab a parametric EQ, and do a standard parametric sweep to ID and remove honking frequencies that are probably stealing the thunder and energy from the frequencies you do want to hear.

2. Perform a second parametric sweep, but with a wider Q - maybe about 2/3 octave - and a gentle boost of about 3dB or so and look for a sweet area that gives you some extra richness you're looking for. Here you're looking to keep the gentle wide boost not perform deep notches like in the first sweep.

G.
 
jbonil1 said:
I believe its near the breath sound freq because every time I listen to this type of vocals I hear lots of breathing) you use for this, cause I've played with 200, 3000, 8000, and 12000 Hz (the mostly used vocal freqs) and can't get it. I was wondering if there was a secret. thats all. thanks
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It's not EQ. It's mic technique (you need to sing breathy and guttural), and then compress it - really hard.
 
Yea, I agree, NL5. It sounds like he's looking more for a compressor (along with mic proximity effect) than anything else.
 
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