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i am looking at converting my celler into a recording room,but my tracking room is two floors above this,i can run a snake down there for the mic's but i do a fair bit of recording by myself.

is it possible to play my guitar in the tracking room but have the sound coming out of the amp in the celler ? a cable lengh of 12-15 meters is this possible or is there another solution ?

thanks
 
You would be better oof having the amp in the control room and running a speaker cable to a cabinet in the cellar. It makes it easier to tweak the tone without having to run up and down stairs 100 times. The long speaker cable run won't be a problem.

Other than that, someone makes something (I think it's called a line driver) that you plug your guitar into that balances the signal for long transmission then there is another box that changes the signal back to a guitar signal to plug into your amp.
 
never thought of using a speaker cable .
if i used a cab as the extra speaker would it matter if the cab was 16 ohms and my 8080 marshall combo is only 8 ohms ?

am i right in thinking that i can just take the spade conectors off my combo's amps speaker and wire them to a wire with a jack on the end of it and plug that into a cab down in the celler ?

thanks
 
axeman_ukl said:
never thought of using a speaker cable .
if i used a cab as the extra speaker would it matter if the cab was 16 ohms and my 8080 marshall combo is only 8 ohms ?

am i right in thinking that i can just take the spade conectors off my combo's amps speaker and wire them to a wire with a jack on the end of it and plug that into a cab down in the celler ? thanks
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Your marshall is a transistor amp. Your amp would be fine with the 16 ohm cabinet.

Look on the back of the amp, you might have a speaker output. If you do, use that and unplug the spade connectors on the speaker. Make sure they don't touch.

If you don't have a speaker output, you will need to fabricate a conncetion to a speaker cable.
 
nope ..... solid state ..... the only tube is in the preamp which doesn't have anything to do with the kinds of speaker loads thepower amp section can handle. 16ohms'll be fine.
 
there is a second hand MARSHALL JCM 800 LEAD SPEAKER CAB 1960B 4X12
going for about £80 is this a good price and is it a good cab or would i be better off looking at something else ?

thanks
 
That's a good price. They normally go for a little more than twice that.
 
Lt. Bob said:
nope ..... solid state ..... the only tube is in the preamp which doesn't have anything to do with the kinds of speaker loads thepower amp section can handle. 16ohms'll be fine.
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i think "16ohms'll" is my new favorite word. awesome. :D :cool:
 
The folks at Radial Engineering make the SGI which is an interface that allows you to connect your guitar to an amp up to 500 ft away. They build their stuff to last forever - next to indestructible. Go to www.radialeng.com to check it out. The other sugestion from Farview would work fine also. HTH
 
am i right in thinking that i should be able to connect this speaker wire to the jack input on the snake that runs to the celler and out of that to a cab ?

thanks
 
Does your snake have a channel with heavy enough gauge to run that kind of load? I don't know a ton about this sort of thing, but I dare say running the power load out of the amp's head through a microphone cable is going to be a problem...
 
The snake will have very thin wire that is shielded. That's not going to do it, it will load your amp down and the signal will bleed into the other channels of the snake.

The snake was designed to handle signal less than a watt, 50 watts will be a problem.


Speaker cable is not shielded, and shouldn't be. You can go down to the hardware store and get lamp cord and put on the 1/4 ends.
 
axeman_ukl said:
am i right in thinking that i should be able to connect this speaker wire to the jack input on the snake that runs to the celler and out of that to a cab ?

thanks
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Whatever you do, do not do this - it's dangerous and could even melt the wires, shorting the power transistors in your amp, and totally screwing it up, costing $$$ to repair.

Running a guitar lead from upstairs to downstairs over the length you're talking is probably not a good idea either. All cables have an inherent capacitance meaning it acts as a low pass filter. Essentially the longer your guitar cable, the more HF you will lose from your guitar signal.

The best idea is to run a speaker cable from the amplifier to an external cab downstairs as mentioned already. The cable needs to be either speaker cable, or you can do what I do, and buy twin core power cable and solder on the 1/4" connectors. Ideally you want the cable to be able to handle 5amps at least - that way you can use it with a 4ohm speaker up to a power of 80watts.

Hope that's helped, if you got any other questions, shoot!
 
The best idea is to run a speaker cable from the amplifier to an external cab downstairs as mentioned already. The cable needs to be either speaker cable said:
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i was thinking of disconnecting the speaker wire on the back of the celestion speaker on the amp connect that to a jack one wire is signal the other is a ground and send this signal down the snake to the cab.
is this not the same as a speaker wire or am i missing something or is it that the cable will not handle this kind of current and needs to be thicker ? :confused:

thanks
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axeman_ukl said:
i was thinking of disconnecting the speaker wire on the back of the celestion speaker on the amp connect that to a jack one wire is signal the other is a ground and send this signal down the snake to the cab.
is this not the same as a speaker wire or am i missing something or is it that the cable will not handle this kind of current and needs to be thicker ? :confused:

thanks
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No you really can't do that. The wires in a snake are intended to carry a current of a few mA not a few amps! Like I said you need something that can carry up to 5A hence my suggestion of mains cable.

A speaker doesn't have a signal and ground connection, instead it has a positive and negative terminal. Speaker cables do not need shielding as the signal is of a high enough current to not be affected by the electromagnetic interference which shielding is designed to reduce.

The idea of disconnecting the internal speaker, wiring on a 1/4" socket is ok - but you need to use a dedicated speaker cable (for the reasons above) to run down to the cab.

Are you in the UK? I could pick out some products for you to show you the sort of things that are suitable, if you'd like?
 
axeman_ukl said:
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i was thinking of disconnecting the speaker wire on the back of the celestion speaker on the amp connect that to a jack one wire is signal the other is a ground and send this signal down the snake to the cab.
is this not the same as a speaker wire or am i missing something or is it that the cable will not handle this kind of current and needs to be thicker ? :confused:

thanks
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The cable in a snake and a speaker cable are two completely different things. Something will melt.
 
Farview said:
The cable in a snake and a speaker cable are two completely different things. Something will melt.
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yup ..... as a lot of people are telling you ..... run your amps' output into a snake and you'll end up melting the insulation of those two conductors and get a direct short prompting a meltdown of your amp and wah-wah noises from your shocked and distressed visage.
As has been said .... speaker cables are not shielded and one reason is that shielding holds in heat. The combination of that and the tiny current carrying capacity of a snakes' conductors and you have a sure recipe for disaster albiet entertaining for us when you come tell us about it
:)
 
Little Labs STD will allow you to be up to say 300' from your amp.

we have one and now i want one more
 
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