GTP buses

[packinmn]

Hi all, I am a fairly new user of Guitar Tracks Pro. When I open a new project, in the buses area I have 8 Subgroup buses and 2 Aux buses. I had expected to see some sort of a Main bus or a Master. Am I missing something or is it up to me to create a Main output bus by routing tracks (or other buses) to that one and sending output from only that bus to my intended target.

Thanks for the guidance...

 

[Paul881]

I don't know about GT because I am a HS 2004 user but you can set the numbers of aux and virtual mains from Options > audio > and then selecting the quantity of both from the drop down window.

In the track view, you can send your signal to your aux sends by clicking on the the appropriate send in the track control display. By default, GT should set the amount of mains to match your hardware outputs.

 

[packinmn]

... By default, GT should set the amount of mains to match your hardware outputs.

Hmmm... like I said when I open GTP I don't have any buses labeled explicitly as mains - just the 8 subgroups and 2 aux buses. I have a Delta 66 card which has 4 mono outputs forming 2 stereo pairs. I can take any of the Subgroup buses, rename it Main, send the intended tracks and subgroups to it, and then output that "Main" to one of those stereo pairs. But is that how it is supposed to work? That seems to makes sense to me, but I guess I just expected it to have a predefined Main.

 

[Paul881]

Hmmm... like I said when I open GTP I don't have any buses labeled explicitly as mains - just the 8 subgroups and 2 aux buses. I have a Delta 66 card which has 4 mono outputs forming 2 stereo pairs. I can take any of the Subgroup buses, rename it Main, send the intended tracks and subgroups to it, and then output that "Main" to one of those stereo pairs. But is that how it is supposed to work? That seems to makes sense to me, but I guess I just expected it to have a predefined Main.

You are right; in HS 2004 the console view has one main as a default. MAybe its just different in GT? What does the help file say about mains?

 

[dachay2tnr]

Hmmm... like I said when I open GTP I don't have any buses labeled explicitly as mains - just the 8 subgroups and 2 aux buses. I have a Delta 66 card which has 4 mono outputs forming 2 stereo pairs. I can take any of the Subgroup buses, rename it Main, send the intended tracks and subgroups to it, and then output that "Main" to one of those stereo pairs. But is that how it is supposed to work? That seems to makes sense to me, but I guess I just expected it to have a predefined Main.

I am also not familiar with GTP, however, if it offers the flexible bus routing features Cakewalk brought out in Sonar 3, then what you are doing is correct.

If you want a virtual Main, you can simply create a new Bus labeled Master (or Main), or rename one of the existing ones. The only thing that is unchangeable is the Hardware Mains, which are tied to your sound card.

If you want a virtual Master Bus to come up automatically each time you start a new project, simply create a template with one in it.

You could, alternatetively, simply route the tracks directly to your hardware mains; however I would not recommend it as the HW Mains do not show up in track view, and you can not patch plugins on them.

The flexible bussing is one of the better features in Sonar. Once you get used to it, you'll love it.

 

[packinmn]

Thanks!

...The only thing that is unchangeable is the Hardware Mains, which are tied to your sound card...

You could, alternatetively, simply route the tracks directly to your hardware mains....

Thanks for the help and for confirming that I pretty much have the right idea. I still do not have access to anything I know to be Hardware Mains, but the method I mentioned seems to do what I want nonetheless. I'll take a look at the help doc and see if it mentions this anywhere. Peace!

 

[dachay2tnr]

I still do not have access to anything I know to be Hardware Mains

As I said, they do not show up in Track View. You should be able to see them in Console View.

You should also be able to assign to them from your tracks. When you click the down arrow next to the output assignment box for the individual track, you should see choices of None, all of your Virtual Busses (but not any Aux Busses/Sends), and Delta 1/2, Delta 3/4, etc.

Here's a picture (hope it comes out OK).

 

[packinmn]

Must be different

Unless something is odd/wrong about my installation of Guitar Tracks Pro, it must be different than yours in that regard cause I don't have a console view or anything labeled Master. But the use of Subgroups as I described seems like it will work as an equivalent for my purposes. Thanks again... I appreciate you taking the time to help me through this!

 

[dachay2tnr]

I guess it could simply be differences between GT Pro and Sonar. As I said earlier, I am not familiar with GT Pro. What I've described is from Sonar 3.0.

The "Master," however, is simply a Virtual Bus that I labeled Master.

 

[Monkey Allen]

I still don't really understand what buses do or what they are.

 

[mixsit]

I still don't really understand what buses do or what they are.

It would be interesting what outputs the eight busses are assigned to (it could be just a default setting). Are they duplicates of the two Delta hardware pairs?
Either way, a buss is just an assignable gathering/routing point. In some Sonar templates for example the output busses are initially marked A' B' C etc. If they feed other busses they become subgroups as you call them. As Dachay mentioned, generally you pick one of your hardware pair-outs as your main mix and one of the busses as the 'master' buss. Use sub's feeding the main for another intermediate level of control (drum group, vocals only, whatever) to feed the master, but generally, not on their own hardware out.
An aux bus is the same thing (a sub-group) but as a split of the source with individual volume controls at the front end.
Wayne