Group Buy Interest?

[ittam]

Well, I´m a sceptic by nature but hold on -I might be sceptical of my
sceptisism also- things tend to go OK in the long run or you are looking from
a wrong angle?

Matti

 

[antichef]

Here's the PDF from Chance -- I'm going to try and post a picture directly later.

http://recursor.net/panelcolor.pdf

and he said "Here it is. #4 & 5 are the samples I sent them with #4 being the first
choice, but we'll be getting #3"

 

[tarnationsauce2]

Here's the PDF from Chance -- I'm going to try and post a picture directly later

DONE!

[edit]fixed image.

 

[ittam]

From what I see from this ( my monitors not color corrected )
it looks good, indeed

Matti

 

[tarnationsauce2]

I don't really see any blue hue. Then again it could be this LCD monitor.
Anyways, it looks like it will work fine for me!

 

[chance]

Yoy really can't see it well, but #4 is the burnt orange. Don't ask what that piece of gear is thats "CLASSIFIED"! LOL

 

[ittam]

#4 was lihgter than I expected and quite stylish but this # 3 is ok also even if we can´t see the blueish tint there might be

Thanks again

Matti

 

[Hard2Hear]

My company deals directly with Chinese manufacturing as well. The only thing I can say, from first hand experience, is that the Chinese are total liars. Contracts, promises, documents, all of them mean nothing to the shifty Chinese. ESPECIALLY once they get your money. They change things wherever they see fit, they steal whenever they see fit. There is apparently NO Chinese translation for integrity or ethics. Never believe ANYTHING they say until you have 100% of your product in your hands. If we could possibly get the parts we needed from anyone else in the world, we would gladly do it.

 

[Gilliland]

I'm sorry, but I can't really see my buddies as having a lot of confidence in either me or the GB right now. They trusted me. I trusted the GB. That bums me out.....

I sincerely hope this GB turns out for the best for all those concerned! Right now my confidence in getting what I ordered is shot, and I am not amused.

If you didn't tell your buddies that their was a considerable risk in this venture, and that they were gambling by placing this order, then you did them a real disservice. Chance is not a vendor - he is simply a generous person who has agreed to aggregate our orders and present them to a couple of Chinese manufacturers, and then to receive the bulk shipment and distribute it back to us. He owes us nothing more.

Fortunately, he offers us much more than that, but if the deal doesn't turn out as we expect, that's the risk that WE accepted when we signed on to this deal. Your buddies accepted that risk when they gave you their money. If you didn't make that perfectly clear to them, then you are the one at fault. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way it stands.

 

[drBill]

If you didn't tell your buddies that their was a considerable risk in this venture, and that they were gambling by placing this order, then you did them a real disservice. Chance is not a vendor - he is simply a generous person who has agreed to aggregate our orders and present them to a couple of Chinese manufacturers, and then to receive the bulk shipment and distribute it back to us. He owes us nothing more.

Fortunately, he offers us much more than that, but if the deal doesn't turn out as we expect, that's the risk that WE accepted when we signed on to this deal. Your buddies accepted that risk when they gave you their money. If you didn't make that perfectly clear to them, then you are the one at fault. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way it stands.

Thanks for the heartfelt compassion.

I informed them to every last minute detail I knew about. Is that enough?

 

[pohaku]

That must be the unwritten rule........

I'd still love it if someone would care to comment on what we're getting pre wise:

Randy???


Chance???


Terry???


Anyone???


Sorry if this is coming off as whining. Wasn't meant that way. I find it so interesting that the pointed questions go unanswered......

Because no one here really knows for sure, and given the nature of this transaction, it isn't reasonable to expect that level of control. The risk associated with this was stated often enough both here and on GS. If you want certainty, you can buy from Mercenary, and I have. In this case, it's a flier. The track record here isn't bad as the other GBs have been successful (and I've participated in successful ones and unsuccessful ones), but it is still a gamble. Although given that we now know it is 797 involved, it's probably less of a gamble then it might otherwise have been.

I don't really think it's worth wringing our hands over this until we see what we actually get. But I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

 

[Madguitrst]

Holy Buyers Remorse, Batman.

This is like a GPO (group purchasing Organization) for small business and we the participants are the small (very small) business. There are risks in any business venture. Most people going into a business venture weight the risks verses rewards and makes decisions accordingly.

Now, if history is any indication, the GB have been worthwhile ventures,.
I was involved in one, had to wait awhile and knew it.
I was very happy with the result. Period.

But I digress, please allow me to show my compassionate side and offer up and idea to help you feel less anxious, Dr. Bill. How about you sell your product (shares?) to someone(s) who has PM'd Chance. Then you will no longer have any risk. Then, after the product comes in, you can purchase "overstocked" items at cost plus QC and handling fees (to be determined by Chance). That way you can reap all of the rewards you desire without any risks, which appears to be what would satisfy you. Of course, you will have to pay just a bit more, but hey, it's worth it, right?

Okay, done deal. Who wants to purchase DrBill's "stock"?

 

[ausrock]

Well, we all should have been aware that this GB, was to some degree, a crap shoot, a risk or whatever you want to call it,no problems there.

To those who choose to question drBill's comments/reservations, I suggest you go (way) back and re-read the threads where they pertain the the preamps, both here and at GS. If you read VERY carefully, between the lines and incorporate some unbiased lateral thinking, you may just have the intelligence to understand exactly what he is concerned about.



"Ladies and gentlemen, attention please
Come in close so everyone can see
I got a tale to tell
A listen don't cost a dime
And if you believe that we're gonna get along just fine

Now I've been travelin' all around
I heard trouble's come to your town
Well I've got a little somethin'
Guaranteed to ease your mind
It's call Snake Oil y'all
It's been around for a long, long time"

Courtesy of Steve Earle

 

[yrdbrd]

excuse me.... (i dont mean to disrupt all the drama)

but i have a (real) question

i was one of acm300 buyers that will now be receiving an acm200
(btw, i can live with this, i wanted the 300 based on looks alone anyway)

what i NEED to know is, it doesnt look like the acm200 comes with a shock mount or any type of clip... can someone please tell me what size diameter the acm200 is (or suggest an appropriate clip/mount) ?????????????????????

lookin forward to an early christmas

Peace be with you all...

 

[Yonce N Mild]

I'm having buyers remorse too..............


I came into a little extra cash and I wish I had ordered more preamps.

 

[chance]

excuse me.... (i dont mean to disrupt all the drama)

but i have a (real) question

i was one of acm300 buyers that will now be receiving an acm200
(btw, i can live with this, i wanted the 300 based on looks alone anyway)

what i NEED to know is, it doesnt look like the acm200 comes with a shock mount or any type of clip... can someone please tell me what size diameter the acm200 is (or suggest an appropriate clip/mount) ?????????????????????

lookin forward to an early christmas

Peace be with you all...

The 200 DOES come with a shock mount and more than likely an aluminum flight case

 

[alanhyatt]

DONE!

[edit]fixed image.

This thread has taken a big turn since I last posted and I took a lot of heat over it. I suspect I will once again take a lot of heat here, but let me start with this....

The Chinese - Well, it seems they will do what they want to do. The picture posted of the black panel, #3 is a photo of the PMI Switcher. Anyone who has been at a trade show at our booth who has listened to our gear will recognize that panel, and for anyone who will be at NAMM next week, I will show you. So they do take other designs they build for companies and look to sell them to others by making a simple change...but let me be clear...It is they that do the change.

I had a call from Brian at Chameleon Labs the other day. He has been reading all these posts and we discussed a good deal about the Chance unit(The 797 clone of the CL unit) Chameleon Labs had an agreement on this unit as well, along with other units. I hope Brian will come on to this thread and respond as I asked him to do.

Lastly, you guys are getting a lot of misinformation. That is why I first posted my comments. So without calling anyone anything...if you guys want to know to know the truth about this unit, I am happy to tell you. If you have questions, I will answer them as I know the entire history of the units you are getting.

As for the rest of you that just want to call me names and tell me I have no idea on what is going on and that I am out to get Chance...well how about you lay back a couple of pages. If it is civil, then Brian IMO will post here. He just does not want to take a beating from you guys either. Let those who want to ask...ask.

You all can believe what you want to believe, that is fine by me. I can not comment on any microphones, other than I have all the manufacturer catalogs and those mics are all stock units sold out of the catalog. What I can answer is questions and the history of the mic amp. I can tell you how it all happened and who really designed them.

If you all do not want the truth and answers, then tell me. I will delete this post and again, go away.

Let me say one thing here. I am not out to sell you anything. I am not out to stop any group buy. My motive is to get you the truth which I have said was not done on the origin of the unit, who designed it, what transformers it used etc...

With that said, I will either wait for your questions and answer them, or if you want, I will go away.

 

[chance]

Man all these questions about bait & switch. This GB, I am basing on the past GB's. They always delivered what we expected (with the exception of ribbon sag). This GB is with the parent company who only makes for hi-end brands that we are all familiar with. Their QC should be much higher. I know that quite a few of you have your friends involved and you feel that your word is at stake. Think for a minute how I feel. Multiply those feelings you have by several hundred.
The last GB there were quite a few who posted here that "what they got was more than they expected" Some of you were unsure and only got one or two mics, and this time those same people ordered a pair of everything because now they know what to expect. This thing with the 300/200 I can understand because once the brand name (and we know who that is) saw all the interest, they bought the exclusive rights just before I made the order. The color? I sent them a sample I got from Sierra aluminum company to see if they could match it. Their reply was "no problem". Now that they are at that stage in the manufacturing to do the color anodizing, they inform me that they can NOT MATCH the color EXACTLY. Rather than gamble with a close match, I felt it best to be safe with the black brushed aluminum. They call it "gun metal blue" (?). I wish I could put everyone at ease over everything. In spite of all this strife, I still feel confident that, like in the past GB's, everyone will have a pleasent surprise.

 

[alanhyatt]

Color anodizing aluminum can never match up from one batch to the next as oxygen has effect on the process. Sometimes close enough is enough depending on what color you actually want.

The Chinese do not change color just to change, unless they have no control over the process. 797 Audio has all the anodizing done outside its factory in South China as many other factories do and as a result, they have no control over it. So you are now dealing with another outside source vendor that 797 can not control other than to reject a sample. It is best when building with 797 to either stay black, painted, or brushed aluminum...if you want anodized then it gets sourced out and is not done by 797 Audio.

If it were me, I would leave it blue because this outside source can do that, and as I have personally seen it up front in my face...it is not that bad at all....

 

[chance]

Alan
I believe any information you could share would be welcomed. I am sorry for all the misunderstandings and attacks on you. Originally when we sent the specs for them to make these pieces, I was informed that they can make/clone it. If they had their own design, I was not aware of it. They told me that they would make it. In the beginning, I was under the assumption that they only made mics, because since 1991 thats all I ever purchased from them. When someone posted a picture on another forum, I was stumped and contacted the manufacturer and was told "don't worry we not say your brand TnC". With all this stress, I've had it with GB's as they now are. I want to thank you for sharing this information, because it has educated me a whole lot. I am not a business man (duh) and was only trying to provide a service to everyone.