Group Buy Interest?

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Chance,

As I'm reading through the posts by all those who are just now finding out about the group buy and registering, it occurs to me that it's very likely you're going to wind up with half a million or so email complaints on issues upon which they'd have been forwarned had they followed this thread for the past 2-3 months.

Perhaps you should have some kind of disclaimer that people have to click through outlining the obvious: money up front, months before delivery, delivery charges to be paid later, and probably most importantly, the fact that we're not actually buying anything from you, but rather we're just piggybacking on your purchase and that you're not responsible for any delays and if refunds need to be given, that they'll be issued minus the transaction fees charged for sending the money.

My worry for you is that there are going to be some people who are going to make the decision to purchase at the deadline with rose-colored glasses and will be blaming you when they realize that a 3-month wait can feel like a 3-year wait when you didn't think it through well enough before hand.

Just a thought.
Jim
 
i think we already determined earlier in this thread that the 81 IS A/B; that these are faithful recreations of the originals.
 
RightOnMusic said:
i think we already determined earlier in this thread that the 81 IS A/B; that these are faithful recreations of the originals.
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I only remember seeing one output transistor in the picture earlier, but I could be wrong . . .
 
JTC111 said:
Chance,

As I'm reading through the posts by all those who are just now finding out about the group buy and registering, it occurs to me that it's very likely you're going to wind up with half a million or so email complaints on issues upon which they'd have been forwarned had they followed this thread for the past 2-3 months.

Perhaps you should have some kind of disclaimer that people have to click through outlining the obvious: money up front, months before delivery, delivery charges to be paid later, and probably most importantly, the fact that we're not actually buying anything from you, but rather we're just piggybacking on your purchase and that you're not responsible for any delays and if refunds need to be given, that they'll be issued minus the transaction fees charged for sending the money.

My worry for you is that there are going to be some people who are going to make the decision to purchase at the deadline with rose-colored glasses and will be blaming you when they realize that a 3-month wait can feel like a 3-year wait when you didn't think it through well enough before hand.

Just a thought.
Jim
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Thanks Jim,

I added a similar blurb to the checkout page late Friday evening...

This is how it is stated on the checkout page:


- TERMS & CONDITIONS -
By clicking/checking/selecting the checkbox below, you understand and agree to the following:

This group buy is being conducted by The Musician's Workshop. The items that you are now paying for, HAVE NOT YET BEEN MANUFACTURED. Making this payment insures manufacture of the items that you have selected. This payment DOES NOT include shipping of the items to your door. After these items have been manufactured and have arrived at The Musician's Workshop in Ontario, CA, shipping costs will then be calculated and you will be invoiced again for payment for shipping. The time frame of payment for items, shippment/arrival to The Musician's Workshop, from the factory, is an unknown, but has been estimated to be as long as four (4) months. Shipment from The Musician's Workshop to your door will add to the time from this payment until the products are delievered to your door. This process of a group buy is a long process whereby one can obtain recording gear at lower prices, with the trade-off being the lengthy wait time of arrival.

If you fully understand and agree to these terms & conditions of this group buy, please click/check/select the checkbox below. Otherwise, abort payment at this time by clicking the button at the bottom of this page labeled: "Return Home".



<CHECKBOX>I have read, fully understand and agree to the terms & conditions of this group buy and would like to continue with the payment/checkout process.



Randy
 
jdbakker said:
Just to be clear: does this mean that all orders for which shipment is to be combined, must be ordered by one person?
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chance said:
Not necessarily ordered by one person, but one shipping address
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OK, good to know. So as long as everyone who wants to combine shipping enters the address of their local redistributor we should be fine. This also means that we have a bit more time to set things up; I was afraid that all this would have to be set in stone by the payment deadline.

Thanks,

JDB.
 
jdbakker said:
OK, good to know. So as long as everyone who wants to combine shipping enters the address of their local redistributor we should be fine. This also means that we have a bit more time to set things up; I was afraid that all this would have to be set in stone by the payment deadline.

Thanks,

JDB.
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Down at the bottom of the main page of the User Console is where you enter your shipping information. I offered a while back, that if those in other countries wanted to decide on a common shipping/ship-to point, I'd store this address on the page, and let you choose it from a drop down and it would auto populate the shipping fields for you. I thought that this might simplify things a bit and cut down on shipping address errors...etc.

I'm still willing to do this, I'd just need to know the various ship-to points that everyone would like to add..

Thanks in advance,

Randy
 
RightOnMusic said:
i think we already determined earlier in this thread that the 81 IS A/B; that these are faithful recreations of the originals.
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I have found some info on the differences between the 3 Pres. (Copy and Pasted some Info below)
Can anyone describe more of what the sonic differences are between Class A/B and Class A? 73/84 vs. 81. I've also read that the 1081 is thiner sounding that the 73/84 ???

I have been planning to get 2-73 and 2-84s... I'm kinda wondering if I should forget the 73 for the DI & get 2-81s for the Sonic Difference (if it's quite noticeable) not so much for more EQ?

This quote was from Geoff Tanner at Aurora Audio, maker of the DRS-2.
"the 1084 is a rolls royce 1073 with switchables highs, hi-q on mid, and hp + lp filters.

All the 10** 283 + 284 based channel amps worked with two fixed gain input amplifiers preceded by (and at high gains followed by) a stepped attenuator.

the 1081 is totally different as it uses a single input amp (338) for all gains. So it's a switched gain amp with the feedback ratios manipulated in the sensitivity switch. All the eq stages are active (6 individual amps total including hp/lp) whereas the 1073/84 have only two eq active stages. The 340 output amp is class AB."
This quote was from Geoff Tanner at Aurora Audio, maker of the DRS-2.

This is from some forum where I guy was asking about the Pres in question.
"1084 is basically a 1073 with more switchable freqs.+hi and lo pass filters. both 3 bands of EQ - both Class A, so bottom end is just about as tight as a cat's pussy.

31102 is basically a 1084 that looks different - came in 8058/68 consoles. look around. they're available.

1081 is class A/B and is said to be 'sweeter' sounding (4 bands of EQ)"

B.
 
Booda said:
I have been planning to get 2-73 and 2-84s... I'm kinda wondering if I should forget the 73 for the DI & get 2-81s for the Sonic Difference (if it's quite noticeable) not so much for more EQ?
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I changed my order to the 81's... Not so much that I thought there might be tonal quality difference, but, in the rare cases where I'd want a built in DI, I'll use use an external DI... and by choosing the 81, an EQ with more bands...


Randy
 
Something else just dawned on me....

Since these are Recreations will we need a "N***" tech or teach ourselves How to check the bias on the output amplifier and such to keep these things running... like the originals?

B.
 
I'm buying two of each (6 total) and plan on selling the two that suit me the least. I'm sure I'll have no problem getting my money back. Heck, if I end up putting them on ebay I'll most likely make a profit. :D But that is not my intent. I'm not sure anyone knows how the three pre's differ - or if in fact they will be identical?????. There have been posts that allude to the three PRE's being identical with only the EQ and DI and metering being different, but who knows. Until they show up and some of the tech guys open them up and gut them, I'm not sure anyone can really be sure.....
 
Booda said:
Something else just dawned on me....

Since these are Recreations will we need a "N***" tech or teach ourselves How to check the bias on the output amplifier and such to keep these things running... like the originals?

B.
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B - I think you're overthinking this a bit. Don't expect a BA or DPD for $175. If you do, you're going to be dissapointed. I'm expecting a nice little pre/EQ and am sure I will be pleasantly surprised. I expect it to be in the N*** flavor and be similar in features and sound in the ballpark. Beyond that, I have no N*** expectations.
 
Zetajazz44 said:
I changed my order to the 81's... Not so much that I thought there might be tonal quality difference, but, in the rare cases where I'd want a built in DI, I'll use use an external DI... and by choosing the 81, an EQ with more bands...


Randy
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Someone said that the 73 and 84 designs were made to be somewhat idiot proof and that on the 81 N*** gave the user the chance to really screw up. Knowing my place on the audio food chain, I chose not to order any 81s. :p
 
drBill said:
B - I think you're overthinking this a bit. Don't expect a BA or DPD for $175. If you do, you're going to be dissapointed. I'm expecting a nice little pre/EQ and am sure I will be pleasantly surprised. I expect it to be in the N*** flavor and be similar in features and sound in the ballpark. Beyond that, I have no N*** expectations.
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And it's probably safe to say some of us will be swapping out one or two internal parts at some point to make the pres as sweet as candy. ;)

Disclaimer - It won't be me figuring out what parts to swap out. That'll be left to folks smarter than me.
 
I don't recall any official confirmation as to whether or not the 81 is class A/B like the original. That said, if you wade through the posts on prodigy-pro they discuss a photo that is **rumored** to be the inside of the 81 and they all seem to agree that that pre in the photo (which Chance won't confirm is actually his 81) is actually class A. It would seem logical to me that for cost cutting reasons they keep the preamp parts of these boxes the same and only change the EQ sections. I would be suprised if the TNC 81 is actually A/B.

That said, I think the sonic difference between the TNCs vs. real N**** will be greater than the subtle difference in class A vs. class A/B. I think just differences in transformers alone is probably a bigger difference than class A vs. class B. In other words, whether or not the 81 is actually class A or class A/B like the original is something I would put WAY down on the considerations list.
 
Hey Randy,

I tried paying via CC and I get this funky error

msxml3.dll error '80070008'

Not enough storage is available to process this command.

/MUSICIANSWORKSHOP/UserConsole/CheckOut.asp, line 70

Is this referring to how much space is being allocated to your site on the host's server? Did I do something wrong? Let me know so that I get my order locked away.

Thanks a lot for getting this thing rolling!

- Mat
 
Oh, I could've sworn Randy mentioned how people paid with credit card orders already. I could be mistaken, since I was reading 50 threads at one time.

Randy, can you clarify this for me?

- Mat
 
_mat_ said:
Oh, I could've sworn Randy mentioned how people paid with credit card orders already. I could be mistaken, since I was reading 50 threads at one time.

Randy, can you clarify this for me?

- Mat
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I think you're right. Randy opens the check pymt tomorrow
 
From what I understand, the 81 is an entirely different design.

These 3 pres have been designed from Chance's 1073s.

I think we're much more likely to get close to a 73/84 than an 81.

The TNC 81 seems like it's going to be a 73/84 with more eq. And no di/meter.
 
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