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tarnationsauce2 said:
Soon, a lot of us in the U.S. will have our "Economic Stimulus Packages".
Mine will become a "TnC Stimulus Package". :D
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The damn Bushies decided I don't need an Economic Stimulus, so I'm getting jack-squat. I think Mobile and Texaco are splitting what I might've gotten under a different plan.
 
So Brad,

Are you saying that the only difference between the 84's and the 73's is that the 84's have a much better eq and they don't have a DI?

I just wan't to be sure. I really only use the DI for bass and if I have an RBI, the DI would be pretty useless.

Am I right? I'll switch over if that's correct. That'll bring up the total by 2.
 
redddog said:
So Brad,

Are you saying that the only difference between the 84's and the 73's is that the 84's have a much better eq and they don't have a DI?

I just wan't to be sure. I really only use the DI for bass and if I have an RBI, the DI would be pretty useless.

Am I right? I'll switch over if that's correct. That'll bring up the total by 2.
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It's not a "much better" eq but there is a little more flexibility in the high band.

Pohaku posted this previously but it should probably be put back up here since there seem to be quite a few new people on the thread now:

pohaku said:
This is from Mercenary Audio's website and authored by Fletcher.

While we're talking about Neve stuff (pay attention folks, the numbers are gonna fly by at a fast and furious pace), the Neve 1073 is probably the most famous of all Neve input modules. It features a wonderful mic pre, line input and an equalizer. There are two other modules that could have been ordered as alternates for the same console--the 1066 and its Cadillac sister, the 1084. The 1073 has a 3-band equalizer with a highpass filter.

The EQ points are: 12kHz shelving on the high band, six points in the mid band (7.2k, 4.8k, 3.2k, 1.6k, .7k, .36k), and four available frequencies on the low band (220, 110, 60 and 35 Hz). The 1066 has a 10kHz shelf on the high band, five available points on the mid (7k, 3.6k, 2.4k, 1.2k, .7k) and the same four on the low. It also has a highpass filter. Needless to say, the 1066 and the 1073 complement each other very nicely due to the variations in frequency points.

The 1084 has 10/12/15kHz selectable shelving frequencies on the high band, the same six points on the mid band as the 1073, and indeed the same four on the low band. It also features high- and lowpass filters, allowing you to have a bit more control over your high-frequency boost. The coolest part of the 1084 is the high "Q" switch available on the midrange band. "Q" refers to bandwidth--the higher the Q, the tighter the bandwidth. This lets you get a bit more specific with your midrange equalization.

A 1084 without a line input control, black plastic knobs/switches with light blue caps, is a 31102. This is the little fella found in the 8066, 8058, 8068, 8088, etc. consoles. (Yeah, there is a line input, but it's unbalanced and lacks control function; if you know that much this article isn't for you anyway.)

These are the primary 3-band modules of the early 80 Series desks. (I could write another thousand words on the subtle differences of the other models in this range, but I'll spare you.) They are also of the 1.75x8.75-inch frame size. The other frame size is 1.75x12 inches. The most common 3-band module in that size is the 1064. It has the same function as a 1066 (EQ points) except instead of a dual concentric frequency select/boost cut function, they are laid out on two separate switch assemblies. It is important to note that all of these models are Class-A designed throughout.

In the same frame size as the 1064 is the 1081. This is the powerhouse of Neve modules from a functional point of view. It has a 4-band equalizer that features multiple frequencies, selectable on the high and low frequencies, and a switch enabling both shelving and peak/dip use. The two midrange bands also have hi-Q functions, allowing remarkably specific equalization.

The beauty of most Neve modules is that Rupert Neve (everyone on your knees and salaam toward Texas, please) is so much smarter than the rest of us; he built modules that really couldn't be used to make things sound bad. There are generations of engineers who look like incredible geniuses because Neve wouldn't allow us the tools to screw up our audio. On the 1081 he gave us the tools, so I implore you to use the power wisely.

On a kind of technical note, the 1081 employed a Class-B output stage. There is nothing bad about the models with the "push/pull" output stages. They will not achieve the same rich, flowing low-end characteristics of their 3-band Class-A brothers but give a better low-end punch and a slightly "airier" top.
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I changed to the 84´s too,sometimes HF at 12k might be somewhat low
acording the curves.

Matti
 
My question is:

If I already have a DI that I like, am I losing anything by going from the 73 to the 84?

Are there any benifits to the 73 over the 84 outside of the DI

I'm sorry if I keep saying this over and over but I' still not sure.
 
You are winning with a more versitale eq, the preamp section
is the same

Matti
 
redddog said:
My question is:

If I already have a DI that I like, am I losing anything by going from the 73 to the 84?

Are there any benifits to the 73 over the 84 outside of the DI

I'm sorry if I keep saying this over and over but I' still not sure.
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I believe if you leave the highband set to 12kHz on the 84 and never touch it, and you never hit the Q switch on the midband, you'll have the same pre as the 73 but without the DI.
 
Sounds good. I'm switchin' over to a pair of 84s.

I'll snap up a pair of the 73s on the next go around.
 
redddog said:
Sounds good. I'm switchin' over to a pair of 84s.

I'll snap up a pair of the 73s on the next go around.
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Really the only reason I went with the 73's was because of the DI... I have a DI on my racked PM1000 that I can use for electric bass...I record more acoustic music anyways...

I'll probably switch over to the 84's as well... Looks like the 73's are well above the 100 mark and the 84's only lack a few... I'll probably help that cause a bit! :)


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Way to go guys! Thanks for helping the cause.

Now...who can I convince to buy some 81's now that the price of the 84's are theoretically less expensive? :D

Brad
 
Brad McGowan said:
Way to go guys! Thanks for helping the cause.

Now...who can I convince to buy some 81's now that the price of the 84's are theoretically less expensive? :D

Brad
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Brad just looks for trouble, doesn't he? ;)

Actually, with 73 people still not having selected anything, I'd be surprised if all three pres weren't over the 100 mark by the time the clock runs out. And it looks likely that the 1200 mic will pass the 200 mark (not that it does anything for us).
 
Ok...

Concerning the "100" mark...what does that do for anything? Reading the last 50 pages or so again, all I see is a price break after "200" units are sold.

And on the 73 vs 84 thing....I'm sticking with the 73 even though I don't need the DI inputs. Over and over again it's been shown that the "same" circuit with added "bits and bobs" really doesn't sound like the "same" circuit anymore - in fact many of the **** clone circuits on the market can be demonstrated to have a different timbre even when using pretty much the exact same components...even some reviews from **** techs, etc. mention that "layout" is also quite important. I'm no engineer or tech, so this could all be wrong; however, I'm more interested in trying the "copied" original circuit that strives to emulate perhaps THE most sought-after preamplification circuit both now and in the past.

Jay
 
vicenzajay said:
Concerning the "100" mark...what does that do for anything? Reading the last 50 pages or so again, all I see is a price break after "200" units are sold.

Jay
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I know there was some confusion on here the last time it came up. Chance hasn't cleared it up yet, so I don't know what the actual arrangement is, but, from what people were posting, there appeared to be two interpretations as to when the price reduction would kick in and whether it would have to kick for all three or could kick in individually.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I want the most EQ possible because I plan on using it not only as a preamp, but as an outboard EQ for use during mixdown.

How can that many people not have other DI's by now? Whats wrong with going Instrument>Nice DI (Radial, Countryman, etc)>TNC mic preamp?

Seriously, lets make that price break.
 
markitzero said:
I don't know about you guys, but I want the most EQ possible because I plan on using it not only as a preamp, but as an outboard EQ for use during mixdown.

How can that many people not have other DI's by now? Whats wrong with going Instrument>Nice DI (Radial, Countryman, etc)>TNC mic preamp?

Seriously, lets make that price break.
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What's wrong with going Instrument>TNC DI and Pre?
 
vicenzajay said:
Concerning the "100" mark...what does that do for anything? Reading the last 50 pages or so again, all I see is a price break after "200" units are sold.

And on the 73 vs 84 thing....I'm sticking with the 73 even though I don't need the DI inputs. Over and over again it's been shown that the "same" circuit with added "bits and bobs" really doesn't sound like the "same" circuit anymore - in fact many of the **** clone circuits on the market can be demonstrated to have a different timbre even when using pretty much the exact same components...even some reviews from **** techs, etc. mention that "layout" is also quite important. I'm no engineer or tech, so this could all be wrong; however, I'm more interested in trying the "copied" original circuit that strives to emulate perhaps THE most sought-after preamplification circuit both now and in the past.

Jay
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A mass mail from Chance talked about a price break if each pre hit 100.

Charlie
 
"As for the mic-pres, Your cost will be determined by what is actually
ordered. Like I mentioned before, we will get the 200 piece cost of $.......
even if we only order 100 pieces EACH of the 73, 81, and the 84. otherwise
they will be $...... each. Perhaps I should just mark them at $......, then
if we make the quota, you will have a good surprise rather than a bad
surprise."

The original N.... ..73 and ..84 have the same specs. exept for the eq.

Matti
 
ittam said:
"As for the mic-pres, Your cost will be determined by what is actually
ordered. Like I mentioned before, we will get the 200 piece cost of $.......
even if we only order 100 pieces EACH of the 73, 81, and the 84. otherwise
they will be $...... each. Perhaps I should just mark them at $......, then
if we make the quota, you will have a good surprise rather than a bad
surprise."

The original N.... ..73 and ..84 have the same specs. exept for the eq.

Matti
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Tere, paha poika!
 
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