Group Buy Interest?

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rickshawrecords said:
... I read a post by John Nady saying how his design and NRE which he had invested tons of $$ and time into was ripped-off by the Chinese company he partnered with and sold to anyone who could afford it, so I got pissed at the Chinese.
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There's two sides to every story. Clearly John felt that the Chinese unfairly appropriated his work. However, his work is closely based on "borrowing" from companies like AEA and Royer, so some might see this as a "pot and kettle" situation. And the Chinese seem to feel that Nady simply contracted with them for a design, and that they did the actual design work. From their perspective, he is unfairly claiming their work as his own. So it's not a simple situation.

John learned (the hard way) that you have to be very careful with to spell out contractual relationships, especially when they span cultures. People don't always look at things the same way. And since the Chinese aren't likely to participate in forums like this one, you're much more likely to hear John's side of the story than theirs.
 
I can assure you that they do follow these forums. I was just notified to remove one of the mics (new mics) because a brand name (unknown) now has exclusive rights. I responded to the manufacturer that I can't remove the pictures, but I will state that this mic is not available. I am not sure which mic this is at the moment, but will post soon.
 
i guess that'll solve the mystery of who else they build for when it hits the market, huh?
 
I think it might be that tube ribbon with the convex grill on one side and a flat grill on the other. There's a mic on Cascade's website that looks the same... maybe all the hype around the Fathead and the fact that the same mics appearing under other brand names are making Cascade want to keep some of the designs to themselves.
 
Hey Chance ,are you going to do any more group buys on mics any time soon? I would definetly be interested. thanks
 
chance said:
I can assure you that they do follow these forums. I was just notified to remove one of the mics (new mics) because a brand name (unknown) now has exclusive rights. I responded to the manufacturer that I can't remove the pictures, but I will state that this mic is not available. I am not sure which mic this is at the moment, but will post soon.
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That just tells us that the brand name (importer) follows this forum. That's no surprise. But the Chinese manufacturer probably does not (except perhaps when directed here by a major customer <g>).
 
Gilliland said:
That just tells us that the brand name (importer) follows this forum. That's no surprise. But the Chinese manufacturer probably does not (except perhaps when directed here by a major customer <g>).
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you nailed it.

On another note, all orders should be filled within the next two weeks. (finally)
 
Gilliland said:
That just tells us that the brand name (importer) follows this forum. That's no surprise. But the Chinese manufacturer probably does not (except perhaps when directed here by a major customer <g>).
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We're just another part of the QC chain!
 
China seems to be stumped as to remedy this problem with us. I can sense that they realize the problem. Does anyone have any realistic suggestions that I could propose to them? Perhaps some ribbon material? Any ideas?
 
"China seems to be stumped as to remedy this problem with us. I can sense that they realize the problem. Does anyone have any realistic suggestions that I could propose to them? Perhaps some ribbon material? Any ideas?
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Short of selling them my concept/design for a fully adjustable ribbon motor...........No. :)

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I would be happy with some free ribbon material and some step by step on install
 
chance said:
China seems to be stumped as to remedy this problem with us. I can sense that they realize the problem. Does anyone have any realistic suggestions that I could propose to them? Perhaps some ribbon material? Any ideas?
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Chance, this situation needs methodical troubleshooting.

50% of the 250 Chinese mics I've seen have had sagging ribbons. But 50% have been fine! The manufacturer does not have to re-invent the wheel regarding ribbon material or corrugation technique. First, you must verify that the manufacturer actually has in place tensioning and shipment quality control. Once the answers to the following questions are known a course of action can be suggested.

1. Did the factory set tension for proper resonance frequency at the factory using a test jig for this purpose? They need to assure you that they have a procedure for setting resonant frequency and inspection to verify this.

2. Were the mics packed randomly, or did the factory take care to orient the mics so the longitudinal axis of the ribbons would be perpendicular to the pull of gravity when shipped. In other words, were the mics shipped with ribbon faces parallel to floor or turned 90 degrees? I have a hunch that carton packing is random with regard to ribbon orientation.

To re-iterate - 50% of the mics I've seen have been fine. I think with proper ribbon installation, tuning and shipping QC many more of them can be fine as well.
 
Can they quality-check some working replacement mics and send us those?

Seems simple... (and then do the more difficult work of figuring out where the manufacturing problem is.)

Aj
 
I tend to think number 1. It seems that 50% of our lolly pop mics had ribbon sag. It seems that 100% of the ACM-3 had ribbon sag. If thats the case (shipping) wouldn't there be a greater percentage of mics with ribbon sag? My gut says it's factory related, but I really don't know. I have a friend that has been using an Apex and a Nady for quite a while, and we opened them up this afternoon and upon seeing the insides my first thought was "Oh no, not you again". They both had a lot of ribbon sag. Go figure.
 
My .02...

Something went wrong with the ACM-3 ribbon material. Reports are that it is uber sagging, and mine had the corrugations gone.

If I was in the employ of chance, I'd be pushing for replacement mics. Expecting customers to replace the ribbons is beyond reasonable.

Again, if it was my company, I'd have the manufacturer front me ACM-3s with good ribbons for each one in the order, and I'd cover the shipping for returns and the shipping for replacements, then I'd have a big come to Jesus meeting with these guys at NAMM.

That said, if I'm stuck with what I've got and I pay someone $125 to replace the ribbon and $25 for a new transformer, I've got a very good mic for a very good price.
 
apl said:
My .02...

Something went wrong with the ACM-3 ribbon material. Reports are that it is uber sagging, and mine had the corrugations gone.

If I was in the employ of chance, I'd be pushing for replacement mics. Expecting customers to replace the ribbons is beyond reasonable.

Again, if it was my company, I'd have the manufacturer front me ACM-3s with good ribbons for each one in the order, and I'd cover the shipping for returns and the shipping for replacements, then I'd have a big come to Jesus meeting with these guys at NAMM.

That said, if I'm stuck with what I've got and I pay someone $125 to replace the ribbon and $25 for a new transformer, I've got a very good mic for a very good price.
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yup, in a perfect world
 
When I toured the factory, I noticed that the last inspector in the QC department blew the dust off each mic with compressed air just before they were packed.
 
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