apl
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How 'bout (SC/(1-.029)) + .3 ? That's SC x 1.029866 +.3
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How 'bout (SC/(1-.029)) + .3 ? That's SC x 1.029866 +.3
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PhiloBeddoe
New member
I'm definitely in the group that is not seriously concerned with how much the shipping and paypal fees cost. I trust that Chance will be fair about it and I'm sure it won't be much money.
But since people are having math fun, here's a formula for calculating what we will owe after shipping based on Paypal fees (assuming purchase was less than $3000.00):
[Paypal fees for mics] + [Shipping cost and shipping paypal fees]
=
[(Cost paid for mics)x(0.029) + 0.30] + [(Cost of shipping)x(1.029) + 0.30]
I hope Chance will include the cost of renting a truck, paying for its gas, buying boxes and any other incidentals incurred in the shipping charge.
But since people are having math fun, here's a formula for calculating what we will owe after shipping based on Paypal fees (assuming purchase was less than $3000.00):
[Paypal fees for mics] + [Shipping cost and shipping paypal fees]
=
[(Cost paid for mics)x(0.029) + 0.30] + [(Cost of shipping)x(1.029) + 0.30]
I hope Chance will include the cost of renting a truck, paying for its gas, buying boxes and any other incidentals incurred in the shipping charge.
daav
Flailing up a storm.
agreed with the crowd that i am happy to pay a bit extra to chance for his trouble and to make sure that he doesn't end up taking a loss. I'd be glad to helpo make sure he made some extra scratch as well.
I want him happy and willing to organize the next one!
daav
I want him happy and willing to organize the next one!
daav
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chance
Well-known member
http://www.ppcalc.com/
One of the guys on another forum turned me on to this. I tested this with the fees you all have already from the mic payments, and it calclates perfectly. If you want to see what the charges are from what you already paid (which was deducted from the total on my end) you can check it out.
One of the guys on another forum turned me on to this. I tested this with the fees you all have already from the mic payments, and it calclates perfectly. If you want to see what the charges are from what you already paid (which was deducted from the total on my end) you can check it out.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
So why do some orders have the fee, and some don't? And for those who don't have the fee, will paypal deduct the fee on the shipping charge? I'm confused.
RawDepth
New member
Because when you use a straight PayPal to PayPal transfer, it is free for the seller. If you use a credit card through PayPal, the seller gets charged a fee.
Some used cards and some did not.
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charger
New member
I don't think this is right. I use PayPal connected to my bank account, not a credit card, and I get charged a fee any time I take money from someone with PayPal, and they get charged fees any time I send them money. I think the charge always occurs.
RawDepth
New member
Okay, I stand corrected.
1. If you have a personal account, then receiving payments funded by another PayPal balance is free.
2. If you have a Premier or Business account, then receiving payments funded by another PayPal balance has a fee.
(Sorry, they must have changed their fees since the last time I looked.)
Oh well. There still are different fees for different types of payment sources. And it depends on what type of account Chance has.
It still varies, that was my point.
EDIT: Chance must have gotten charged different amounts for different buyers. He would like to recover those costs but apparently does not have a clear record of who caused which charges or why. So, some folks are suggesting to just figure an "average amount" and charge everyone the same and add it on to the shipping charges.
Right Chance?
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Somnium7
Noise Criminal
Yes Paypal has changed, they have gotten very ugly with the fees. I recently organised a printed circuit board group-buy for the Synth-DIY community and got raped by the fees. My rear is still sore.
Having just been through this I suggest Chance just names a dollar amount as he pleases and the hell with being fair to each and every person because frankly it isn't possible. I doubt anybody here will mind if he manages to pocket a few dollars for his efforts. He does deserve it.
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chance
Well-known member
I will enclose the paypal receipt where it shows the fee amount, however, it would be too time consuming to wait, print, and give a second receipt for the shipping funds and fee, but I will post an itemized list of charges (original PP fee, shipping fee, and current PP fee.) when I send the request for funds for shipping
mshilarious
Banned
Paypal fees haven't changed, at least enough for me to notice, in at least two years (compare with eBay fees, for example). However, to accept any reasonable amount of credit card payments, you have to have a business or premier account. Once you have that type of account, you get charged on every incoming transaction. The fee does not vary by payment type, as far as I am aware, unless currency translation in involved.
If you have enough volume, you qualify for merchant rates. You have to apply though, and the fee is based on last month's volume. So it wouldn't be that helpful in a group buy environment.
Fee schedule here:
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
Thus I don't know of a reason that everybody wouldn't get hit with 2.9% + $0.30.
tarnationsauce2
Welcome to the jungle.
The anticipation is killing me. I can't wait.
I'm willing to pay over, anything to help expedite.
i plan on paying over anyways, Chance DESERVES it. Even if he's too modest to say so.
I'm willing to pay over, anything to help expedite.
i plan on paying over anyways, Chance DESERVES it. Even if he's too modest to say so.
timboZ
New member
i plan on paying over anyways, Chance DESERVES it. Even if he's too modest to say so.
Same with me......Give the man a tip for all his hard work!!!!!!!!
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chance
Well-known member
UPDATE
Well,, it looks like "Murphy" is on my back. My computer started acting strange so on Friday I took it to the Apple store and they worked on it and it seemed OK. I brought it home and the mouse was delayed to my movments. Saturday I took it back to the Apple store, and was there for several hours, brought it back and there were other problems. Sunday, I took it back, and I had to wait on "standby" because I didn't make an appointment. After several hours, they got to it, did some more work on it. I took it home and it seemed fine. I started to compute the charges and print the shipping labels only to find that they wiped out my printer drivers. I downloaded the drivers and late last night, I printed the first shipping label.
Bottom line is that I will start sending paypal requests and shipping this week.
Bummer, I was hoping to have accomplish much more over the week end. My My MAC G-4 still seems a little sick, but we'll see what happens
Well,, it looks like "Murphy" is on my back. My computer started acting strange so on Friday I took it to the Apple store and they worked on it and it seemed OK. I brought it home and the mouse was delayed to my movments. Saturday I took it back to the Apple store, and was there for several hours, brought it back and there were other problems. Sunday, I took it back, and I had to wait on "standby" because I didn't make an appointment. After several hours, they got to it, did some more work on it. I took it home and it seemed fine. I started to compute the charges and print the shipping labels only to find that they wiped out my printer drivers. I downloaded the drivers and late last night, I printed the first shipping label.
Bottom line is that I will start sending paypal requests and shipping this week.
Bummer, I was hoping to have accomplish much more over the week end. My My MAC G-4 still seems a little sick, but we'll see what happens
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zorf
New member
Hi Chance,
Can i suggest you back up anything important asap?
Could be a hard drive failing.
I've learned the hard way.
Component failure is to be expected, plan for it.
Of course if you have some money, you might want to think about upgrading.
The new ones are pretty nice.
thanks again for all the effort on this.
Can i suggest you back up anything important asap?
Could be a hard drive failing.
I've learned the hard way.
Component failure is to be expected, plan for it.
Of course if you have some money, you might want to think about upgrading.
The new ones are pretty nice.
thanks again for all the effort on this.
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chance
Well-known member
Everything is backed up via CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner).
Do you think a hard drive going bad would cause the mouse (actually the cursor) to hang up?
dgatwood
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Only if it is silently corrupting data on the paging path and part of WindowServer or the kernel got swapped out.
I'm assuming this is Mac OS X. If you are still running Mac OS 9, all bets are off.
Freezes of the cursor are generally caused by one of the following
- Extreme paging pressure.
Diagnosing: Is the hard drive thrashing? If so, wait a few minutes and see if the machine comes back to life. If so, some application probably pigged out on RAM and subsequently crashed.
Fixing: Figure out what app did so and stop using that application. Either that or buy more RAM.
- Dirty mouse ball or other mouse failure.
Diagnosing: Does the computer freeze, or just the mouse? Try using keyboard navigation, e.g. command-tab to switch applications.
Fixing: Replace the top case (laptop) or mouse (desktop).
- Bad OS installation.
Diagnosing/Fixing: Do an archive and install of the OS. Sounds like the store tried that, hence your missing printer drivers.
- Bad RAM.
Diagnosing: Remove half the RAM. See if problem goes away. If problem persists, put in the other half. If problem persists, find more RAM from another machine just to be sure. This is the cause of 99% of all freezes and crashes in my experience.
Fixing: Replace bad RAM
- Bad CPU or improper CPU to heat sink contact.
Diagnosing/Fixing: Swap the CPU. (The heat sink comes with the CPU as a module, so don't try separating them unless it is out of warranty.)
- Bad motherboard.
Diagnosing/Fixing: If none of the above cured the problem, swap the motherboard.
My guess would be either bad RAM or a thermal problem with the CPU. If it is the hard drive, you can find out easily. In Terminal, type:
ioreg -l -w 0
That's a zero, BTW. Then, do a command-f (find) and search for disk0. you should see something like this:
| | | +-o ST9160821AS Media <class IOMedia, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain count 10>
| | | | {
| | | | "Leaf" = No
| | | | "Writable" = Yes
| | | | "BSD Minor" = 0
| | | | "IOBusyInterest" = "IOCommand is not serializable"
| | | | "Preferred Block Size" = 512
| | | | "BSD Major" = 14
| | | | "BSD Name" = "disk0"
| | | | "Size" = 160041885696
| | | | "Content Hint" = ""
| | | | "Removable" = No
| | | | "IOMediaIcon" = {"IOBundleResourceFile"="Internal.icns","CFBundleIdentifier"="com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily"}
| | | | "BSD Unit" = 0
| | | | "Ejectable" = No
| | | | "Content" = "GUID_partition_scheme"
| | | | "Whole" = Yes
| | | | }
| | | |
Look at the node right above it. It should look like this:
| | | +-o IOBlockStorageDriver <class IOBlockStorageDriver, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain count 7>
| | | | {
| | | | "IOMatchCategory" = "IODefaultMatchCategory"
| | | | "IOGeneralInterest" = "IOCommand is not serializable"
| | | | "IOClass" = "IOBlockStorageDriver"
| | | | "Statistics" = {"Errors (Read)"=0,"Total Time (Write)"=103178178485,"Latency Time (Read)"=0,"Bytes (Read)"=201591296,"Latency Time (Write)"=0,"Retries (Read)"=0,"Bytes (Write)"=373583872,"Errors (Write)"=0,"Operations (Read)"=10362,"Retries (Write)"=0,"Operations (Write)"=13888,"Total Time (Read)"=106339091965}
| | | | "IOProviderClass" = "IOBlockStorageDevice"
| | | | "CFBundleIdentifier" = "com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily"
| | | | "IOPropertyMatch" = {"device-type"="Generic"}
| | | | "IOProbeScore" = 0
| | | | }
| | | |
If the error count is nonzero, you have a failing drive. Note, however, that this is only the error count since the last reboot, so checking it once may not be enough to notice a problem.
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zorf
New member
Hey dgatwood,
Very cool!
Very cool!
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chance
Well-known member
Yes it is a MAC G-4 OSX 10-3-9. the curser only hangs up for about 10 seconds after each click of the mouse. I tried a different known good mouse with no difference. Sometimes too I get that "pinwheel" thing happenning and it takes a while to go away. If I were to use CCC to clone my HD again, do you think I could just swap that cloned HD and if the HD is bad, would the swapped HD be a simple plug and go procedure? or would I have to do the drivers and other apps again.
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zorf
New member
did you try yelling at it?
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